Minors coming into UK.

[Consumer dude]

There is much talk of the recent arrivals of children coming to the UK and they look more like adults. What checks are made to confirm a person's age ? and what other details are known ? (Source LBC radio.)..

[unclebulgaria67]

I agree with you CD that it does not matter whether they are confirmed as being under 18 years of age. The UK has a great humanitarian reputation and allowing refugees to join their family already in the UK, is something that was right for government to organise.

[Consumer dude]

My point is being able to know who these people are and that proper checks are made, I would be taking, photographs, dental records, fingerprints and rigid confirmation of age. I am not against assisting those in genuine need but the system is being abused and ordinary people are sick and downright tired of it..

[unclebulgaria67]

Not possible. No dental checks or other tests would reveal age. They are relying on what they have been told by the children and their families already in the UK.

[Consumer dude]

Dental checks and the like could help to assist identity. The age thing is a separate issue..

[unclebulgaria67]

Dental checks and the like could help to assist identity. The age thing is a separate issue..

 

No they could not. They don't come from countries where there will be records easily obtainable. Many probably have never seen a dentist.

 

As for identifying them later on, only if they are found dead or they bite someone leaving a perfect imprint.

 

I doubt that DNA samples are being taken, as part of a refugee process.

[Consumer dude]

Yes they could, if no dental records are available then records could at least be started as part of any application to come into the UK. The other thing is I find it hard to believe that minors are travelling all the way to Calais on there own without adult assistance..

[Sparks_]

Bone scans of the growth plates would give some idea of the child's age, the pictures I have seen so far of these 'children' makes me think some are not being honest with their ages!

Also why no female children being put forward to come to the UK?

[obiter dictum]

You can tell the age of an individual by their teeth as they are still develping in juveniles. Determining age is fairly standard practice with maturity of wisdom teeth as an example

[Sparks_]

You can tell the age of an individual by their teeth as they are still develping in juveniles. Determining age is fairly standard practice with maturity of wisdom teeth as an example

 

But some like myself never developed wisdom teeth!

[Consumer dude]

Teeth are one example I guess but why not DNA every one who comes into the country, that surly would go some way to confirming who people are..

[obiter dictum]

Let us stick a yellow star on them at the same time. They are not criminals and should not be regarded as such

[Sparks_]

Let us stick a yellow star on them at the same time. They are not criminals and should not be regarded as such

 

No they are not, well hope not, but some certainly do not look like minors!

[ssparks2003]

They are not criminals and should not be regarded as such

 

Since we are unable to prove who they really are or even how old they are, I am not sure how you can be confident that they are not criminals.

[obiter dictum]

So just because they have no papers the default position is to regard them all as criminals and undesirables?? Social lepers

[Consumer dude]

So just because they have no papers the default position is to regard them all as criminals and undesirables?? Social lepers

 

No, the default position is that because we do not know for certain then checks to confirm the facts are needed..

[king12345]

Bone density gives a good idea of individual's age and it's not invasive.

Would you be happy if your children in secondary school were in the same class as a 20 something man???

Once again, human rights of potential victims don't exist, only those of potential criminals.

I don't see what problem checking their age would create.

If they are genuine children they should be up for it, I would.

[obiter dictum]

"A refugee child? Are you sure? Check their teeth". What on earth have we become?

 

Under the Children Act 1989 the UK regards a person a child until they reach their 18th birthday, and not the rhetoric of the Sun, Mail or Express

[king12345]

"A refugee child? Are you sure? Check their teeth". What on earth have we become?

 

Under the Children Act 1989 the UK regards a person a child until they reach their 18th birthday, and not the rhetoric of the Sun, Mail or Express

 

I can't see anything in the act which says that someone who looks 30 and claims of being 15 cannot be tested for safety and security reasons.

The point is that maybe, and only maybe, some of these children are not children but adults claiming to be , exploiting the UK fear of being politically incorrect.

[obiter dictum]

After further investigation the older "children" or young men were actually interpretors. The hate tirade of the Sun, Express and Mail were never strong on facts, just stirring up hate!

 

People need to be ashamed of themselves spreading this garbage

Edited October 19, 2016 by obiter dictum

[ssparks2003]

After further investigation the older "children" or young men were actually interpretors. The hate tirade of the Sun, Express and Mail were never strong on facts, just stirring up hate!

 

People need to be ashamed of themselves spreading this garbage

 

And the innocence of some is shocking.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/?WT.mc_id=e_DM172981&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_10_19&utm_campaign=DM172981

[king12345]

And the innocence of some is shocking.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/?WT.mc_id=e_DM172981&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_10_19&utm_campaign=DM172981

 

Someone is gonna say that the telegraph is a nazist newspaper like the sun and daily mail...

[citizenB]

“Currently Government advice is that they need to give these people the benefit of the doubt and that needs to change.

 

“When I went to Calais there were caravans with notices on how to get coaching on what to say if you need to get into Britain. So I am very concerned about this.

 

“I’m all for helping innocent children but it is completely ridiculous if we are just going to allow people in based on what they tell us.”

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/?WT.mc_id=e_DM172981&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_10_19&utm_campaign=DM172981

 

I would imagine that some of the migrants have genuinely lost their papers, however , as I understand it - many of them are deliberately destroying any ID in order to prevent deportation.

 

It is quite wrong to allow those lying about their age, to come into the UK as a minor when they are not.

[king12345]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/?WT.mc_id=e_DM172981&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_10_19&utm_campaign=DM172981

 

I would imagine that some of the migrants have genuinely lost their papers, however , as I understand it - many of them are deliberately destroying any ID in order to prevent deportation.

 

It is quite wrong to allow those lying about their age, to come into the UK as a minor when they are not.

 

CitizenB, how dare you alleging that that there are people lying about their age just to enter and remain in UK.

Surely this has never happened and never will.

Just hope the two prolific brexit posters don't see your post or you'll be sent to work in a mine for the rest of your days

[andydd]

No, the default position is that because we do not know for certain then checks to confirm the facts are needed..

 

So the default position is that we treat them with dignity and let them stay.

 

I find your comments on this and other threads increasingly disturbing, surely the whole purpose of this forum is to offer free friendly advice to those in need and to those who cannot afford such advice, I am worried that some here appear to operate against that ethos.