Could backbench campaign lead to end of TV licence ?

[45002]

Well if it ever happened !

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/backbench-campaign-lead-tv-licence/3909

 

Plus you know who would have nothing to post about:whoo:

[snowy101]

The answer is one that frightens the BBC to it`s very core. A voluntary subscription service. Go it alone & survive in the real world like the rest of us do.

 

I don`t care about the BBC , i care about the fact it is a tax & unfair competition. It has so many ill`s , it is not worth going over them again. This next review is going to be very interesting as to the outcome of the LF tax. My hunch is it will get a continuation of the LF tax but with caveats, the old boy network will keep her afloat............................. this time

[45002]

From Sky news this morning

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1222707/tv-licence-dodgers-may-not-be-prosecuted

 

The Beebs

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26492684

[rebel11]

For starters a subtle logo advertising a company would be a start. They should gradually reduce the license fee over the next four years to 75%, then 50% and then 25% and finally 0%. Whilst increasing advertising revenue each year.

[dpick]

For starters a subtle logo advertising a company would be a start. They should gradually reduce the license fee over the next four years to 75%, then 50% and then 25% and finally 0%. Whilst increasing advertising revenue each year.

 

 

 

I fully agree with this then anyone like me that does not like adverts can record then skip through when you do watch.

 

 

dpick

[brassnecked]

A subscription model would be good, say an extra quid or two on a sky subscription per month should do it. or a couple of quid to unscramble Freeview/Freesat. The other non BBC channels could be still free to air with no criminal consequences for watching. I Playere could also have a restricted access model, with a subscription either standalone or tied to the main fee, as in pay ££2.50 for access to all £2 for TV channels, or a quid for I Player alone

[lookinforinfo]

A expected the BBC are not happy with this situation.Today, James Purnell the Beeb's director of Strategy and Digital says that the move would be a huge risk and lead to a rise in the number of people who fail to pay.

Apparently the rate of evasion is 5% so were it to rise to 10% as a result of removing the criminalising [if there is such a word]of the penalty,then that would equal the cost of runningall of BBC Four, the CBBC and the CBeebies.

 

He carried on to say that the decriminalisation of the fee would penalise the poor? Does he not realise that the cost of the Licence already penalises the poor and is then compounded by giving them a criminal record for something they cannot afford and often don't watch.

 

Perhaps the BeeB could put their house in order first.

They pay huge salaries to celebrities;they pay huge payouts to dismissed employees and their staff appear to get individual taxis to get them home even though there may be several staff going the same way

all around the same time.

I am sure that people who work or who have worked there will know of many other instances of waste on a large scale.

[sequenci]

The key problem with a model based upon advertising is that the beeb would lose much of its quality programming. As much as the actual organisation annoys me, much of the output is very high quality. The last we need is yet another bastion of retardation like ITV. The out-dated, hierarchal management structure needs to go. Big time.

[snowy101]

I can`t see why everyone assumes that the BBC needs advertising to be a part of a subscription package. If they went down the subscription route , scrambled the output , the uptake for those that want to watch the BBC should be in line with the current TVL tax system ?. No need for adverts , like all monopolies they are top heavy & prone to waste money, local councils & governments spring to mind. I think in the circumstances i have laid out it would force the BBC to address the vast amounts of money it wastes, streamline the management structure & force them to concentrate on the real business of output. Those that already enjoy & are happy to pay will continue , those that don`t will not & won`t be able to view live output . This would give people a choice, that is fair in my view, it should be a choice & not a tax. The truth is that the whole system is calling out for change, clinging on to the past is not cutting it in today's world. Surely it is better to be in on the negotiations of change than have them forced upon you.

[ericsbrother]

I hope the government doesnt renew its charter and then a new BBC can be created. Bet my house it wont happen.

[sameagle]

I hope the government doesnt renew its charter and then a new BBC can be created. Bet my house it wont happen.

The government are very unlikley to get rid of it, all governments like to have at least one mouthpiece that they control.

[Deadwood]

Could be a very dangerous thing for people if it is decriminalised. A lower level of proof is needed for a civil action and enforcement could become a big earner for the BBC and enforcement agencies. If anyone is in any doubt about what goes on in civil enforcement have a look at the debt/bailiff and HCEO sub forum on this group. People will end up having to let BBC agents round their houses to prove they don't have a TV.

[brassnecked]

In Today's Daily Heil

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586482/Death-knell-licence-fee-Ministers-plans-lift-threat-jail-TV-viewers-dodge-TV-levy.html

 

 

Might be a nail in the coffin

[45002]

Labour to support a vote in favour of a review into decriminalizing ...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26711459

 

http://www.govyou.co.uk/decriminalization-of-tv-licence-non-payment/

[porkyp1g]

Could be a very dangerous thing for people if it is decriminalised. A lower level of proof is needed for a civil action and enforcement could become a big earner for the BBC and enforcement agencies. If anyone is in any doubt about what goes on in civil enforcement have a look at the debt/bailiff and HCEO sub forum on this group. People will end up having to let BBC agents round their houses to prove they don't have a TV.

 

Might catch a few license dodgers out then. It annoys me that people who should pay for one and watch live tv, hide behind their rights to avoid access and get caught out.

[andydd]

Might catch a few license dodgers out then. It annoys me that people who should pay for one and watch live tv, hide behind their rights to avoid access and get caught out.

 

But why should someone with no proof and what is essentially a civil debt be allowed to nose around your property ? This is different from bailiffs, etc as in those cases the debt has been proven and therefore (rightly or wrongly) they have been given the right (with limitations) to enter your property.

[renegadeimp]

If there was a law that said you have to hop 2 miles every day and pay your local tesco £30 for no reason, would you do it?

[porkyp1g]

This really isn't the same thing as what you described. More like paying for sainsburys bananas but getting them from co op. Yes I would if it was the law but I would be actively involved in fighting to change it.

 

Bottom line it is the law currently, I guess all those people who don't have a license will have to get themselves down the pub for the World Cup in the summer as they can't watch the games live at home. Unless you avoid the scores and watch later on catch up.

[renegadeimp]

guess all those people who don't have a license will have to get themselves down the pub for the World Cup in the summer as they can't watch the games live at home.

 

Thats pretty much what i do anyway for big games. Much better atmosphere than sitting at home.

[porkyp1g]

Nothing like being at the actual game, but if not I still prefer to have mates round and watch it on my setup. With he money I spent on it and my sky sub, it's a no brainer. Beers cheaper too.

[ploddertom]

It will be interesting to see if the Mail & MP's follow through with what they were told yesterday, there are more revelations to come.

[Stigman]

Nick Ross was on The Daily Politics show today explaining that the TV Licence should be scrapped and a subscription system should be brought in place.

He debated his film with MPs David Willetts and Emily Thornberry.

 

A short film he made is included in the weblink http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26851480

 

A link to the Daily Politics Show is included within the BBC page (Nick Ross segment is after questions to the dictator).

 

Stigman

[snowy101]

Good post Stigman

 

A sensible , mature & modern thinking look at the way forward for the BBC by a man who clearly loves, believes & cares about it`s future. You would think that given this mans passion , reputation & experience of the BBC , he would be brought in to some kind of future planning role / appointment. No, new carpets & over staffed jollies to the world cup are the order of the day.

[brassnecked]

Same old elitist greedy BBC, they want the German sysytem, pay the TV Tax even if you dont own a TV or anything that you can watch a programme on

 

from the Torygraph

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10746109/BBC-wants-you-to-pay-TV-licence-fee-even-if-you-dont-own-a-set-as-shows-go-on-iPlayer-for-longer.html