sanctioned for nat applying for jobs im not qualified for??

[adams73]

I'm hoping someone can help me with a query on my jsa being sanctioned for failing to apply for jobs i'm not qualified for!!

Basically when i signed on i was told my job search activity log did not include any applications for jobs in the last fortnight....i explained to my advisor that all applicable vacancies i had seen had statutary requirements of basic qualifications or certificates which i did not possess...i was then told i should have applied for them regardless and because i did not my claim was being sent to a decision maker!!! I was given form ES48 which states "Until this decision is reached jobseekers allowance cannot be paid

Firstly am i right that by being referred to a decision maker my payment will automatically be stopped and will probably rely on an appeal to qualify for future payments??

Also how is it ethical to require me to apply for jobs i'm not qualified for??

Any advice on how to fight this decision would be greatly appreciated

[flumps1976]

You have been referred to DMA for ASE action, this because you have not shown applications made and the adviser has identified through UJM and possibly Indeed and local papers etc vacancies that you could have applied for.

What type of work are you required to look for as per your Job Seekers Agreement and how long have you been claiming?

I'm afraid that ethics don't apply,

[leigh04]

my brother had the same thing jsa sanctioned stopped for 2 weeks, decision maker up held it, he is now appealing, doing a formal complaint and reported to his local MP, he has been advised to do all this because he had done everything required by jcp, he signed on yesterday and he will get his money Friday but he has to do the appeal to get the 2 weeks he lost

[adams73]

I have been claiming for 6 weeks(my 3rd signing was today) i have been looking for kitchen/warehouse work and have had problems finding vacancies not requiring me to have health and hygiene or valid forklift licences (reach/c-balance)

Could you explain the terms DMA ASE and UJM please?

[worried parent]

I would have thought that applying for a job that required a fork lift license that you do not have is a complete waste of time on everyone part. As for a health and safety cert to work in a kitchen this can be obtained with very little trouble.

[bcham]

just apply for anything,as long as your diary is filled,who cares what you apply for,you wont get any replies back when they view your cv anyway.

[dyfed]

You have been referred to DMA for ASE action, this because you have not shown applications made and the adviser has identified through UJM and possibly Indeed and local papers etc vacancies that you could have applied for.

What type of work are you required to look for as per your Job Seekers Agreement and how long have you been claiming?

I'm afraid that ethics don't apply,

 

Well its a waste of time applying for work you aint qualified to do. Its a bit like me applying to be an airline pilot but can bearly drive a car.

Would you not agree?

I think its disgusting that people should be treated this way to be honest.

If you apply for a job you are not qualified to do then you are wasting the employers time and money. You will never never never get the job so whats the point?

 

However to not apply for a job you are qualified to do is a different kettle of fish, I could then understand it.

[flumps1976]

ASE is actively seeking employment, UJM is Universal Job Match and DMA is Decision Making and Appeals team who ulitimately make the decisions regarding the payability of your JSA following any doubts raised.

[dyfed]

just apply for anything,as long as your diary is filled,who cares what you apply for,you wont get any replies back when they view your cv anyway.

 

By doing this it makes a mockery of looking for employment.

I could apply only for jobs I know I wouldnt get so I could stay on the dole lol yes I bet there are thousands of jobs around the country that I will never be able to do.

 

I think the government and dwp are really taking the piddle on this matter. Its a bit like a monty python sketch.

[dyfed]

ARSE is actively seeking remote employment.

This is when you apply for jobs you know you will never get just to fill your diary up

[san_d]

By doing this it makes a mockery of looking for employment.

I could apply only for jobs I know I wouldnt get so I could stay on the dole lol yes I bet there are thousands of jobs around the country that I will never be able to do.

 

I think the government and dwp are really taking the piddle on this matter. Its a bit like a monty python sketch.

 

Of course it makes a mockery, but that's the system. It's not fair, we know that. If they set unfair rules you have to respond with unfair behaviour.

[Nystagmite]

Do they know you're not qualified? It seems a waste of your time and the time of the employer for you to apply for these jobs, when you could be searching and applying for jobs you can do.

[delsus]

By doing this it makes a mockery of looking for employment.

I could apply only for jobs I know I wouldnt get so I could stay on the dole lol yes I bet there are thousands of jobs around the country that I will never be able to do.

 

I think the government and dwp are really taking the piddle on this matter. Its a bit like a monty python sketch.

 

And this is why I feel like the entire wellfare system is broken, I have known people sitting on the dole for over years, never looking for a job, just filling their diaries, and people who are looking for work, and want to be truthful are the ones that get stung by the system.

[Feebee_71]

One thing to consider when applying for kitchen jobs and the like where you don't already have the certificates mentioned is that, if they like the look of your cv/application form, they might be willing to put you forward for the courses to gain the certificates.

 

Worth a try and, if you don't get anywhere, you've at least jumped through the hoops they demanded of you.

 

Feebee_71

[impecunious]

It's just all about "jumping through hoops" regardless ..................... just nod and smile! It's what the system demands .... of course it's broken ... it's broken beyond repair - "not fit for purpose" .... but we're all just p®awns in this game.

 

Use the system until you're able to stand on your own two feet .... and you're the only one who can help yourself. DWP won't do it for you ... neither will any W2W programme - their results prove that!

 

I'm applying for work all over the UK .. not just locally ... needs must! And, if I have to move to Edinburgh or Dublin to get a job - c'est la vie! If the work doesn't come to you, you may have to go to the work! Norman Tebbit wasn't all wrong! Except I can't ride a bike!

 

If you don't have any academic qualifications, get some!! Education costs very little if you're on benefits. Last time I was unemployed, I paid £10 to go on an Access Course (Humanities) for a year at a local college - I sat next to my eldest daughter and we had great fun! I passed with distinction and earned enough points to apply for entry to University and ended up with a great Honours degree. I was then 45 and a single parent to four children, one of them with a severe mental disability. So, basically, aim higher!!!! Get qualified and help yourself cos no-one else is going to.

 

Tough love? Yes!!! Always! At least now I have many more opportunities to secure a position commensurate with my abilities.

 

Sometimes you just have to be pro-active and "think outside the box".

 

 

Impecunious!

[dyfed]

Impecunious you are an insperation for us all. I can see you as being a great life coach

Its very true what you say, you have to go out there and get it. We make our own luck in life.

[impecunious]

Impecunious you are an insperation for us all. I can see you as being a great life coach

Its very true what you say, you have to go out there and get it. We make our own luck in life.

 

Thanks dyfed -- I did feel I might have been a bit tough BUT, hey, if you don't get out there and actually make it happen, a job isn't just going to miraculously jump into your lap!

 

I strongly believe that education is the best way to escape poverty and it can become very addictive!! I could never settle for just being a dishwasher ... if we don't have aspirations, what's the point??? Everyone can improve their lot academically. For some it might be basic literacy and numeracy, for others GCSEs, NVQs, A Levels or Degrees.

 

Miss Impecunious! BA (Hons) English with History, Knitter, Crocheter, Crafter and Creative Job Activity Search Recorder!

[springbulb]

I would say you should just apply for the jobs, if they don't consider you for them you'll have a good argument to put forward to the DWP by showing them how many jobs you applied for and you didn't even get an interview. No point in arguing with them, better to show them what you mean with facts even if it's a waste of time, that way it doesn't look like you are in the wrong. I did that when I was claiming after the credit crunch, then discussed it when I had to see the advisor who ended up concurring with me.

[impecunious]

I would say you should just apply for the jobs, if they don't consider you for them you'll have a good argument to put forward to the DWP by showing them how many jobs you applied for and you didn't even get an interview. No point in arguing with them, better to show them what you mean with facts even if it's a waste of time, that way it doesn't look like you are in the wrong. I did that when I was claiming after the credit crunch, then discussed it when I had to see the advisor who ended up concurring with me.[/quote

 

 

Take me out and shoot me if I ever just apply for jobs that I'm not qualified to do to make up numbers!! I can't think of anything more demeaning, demoralising or time-wasting! (Some of the job application forms I've been asked to complete have taken upwards of 3 days each.) Potential employers would think I was totally incapable of reading a person specification or was totally delusional about my abilities to do the job if I applied for jobs I wasn't qualified to do and the application would be filed in the wastepaper bin.

 

There is a very strong distinction between applying for a job that you're not qualified to do and applying for jobs where you meet a large percentage of the requirements of the job and believe you could "upskill" to complete the rest. Employers usually define these as "essential qualities" and "desired qualities" - they allow a certain degree of flexibility for candidates.

 

If I couldn't reach any job application target set by DWP, I'd just smile sweetly and ask if they could advise me on the best way to move forward as I had exhausted all the possibilities within my current area of expertise. After all, they are called "Advisors". No arguments, no confrontation, no stress.

 

As far as I know, JSAg have to be signed by both parties - great time to negotiate. My initial JSAg requires me to make one application per week and undertake six work-related activities per week and and that job search relates to just one specific type of job. I'm sure that my next JSAg will require me to increase my activity and to expand my search area but it's still a negotiation.

 

Onwards and upwards!

 

Impecunious!

[dyfed]

If I was an employer with a vacancy and revieved a wheelbarrow full of applications by unqualified individuals I would be pretty miffed.

I would wonder if applicants could read the job advert and wouldnt advertise through the joke shop (job centre) again.