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[heliosuk]

Given that you say it had the wrong wheels on and know Jack Pooh about cars on what grounds do you make the assertion they are the wrong wheels or wheels not suited for the car?

[roger davis]

the recovery mechanic new they were the wrong wheel , so did the tyre people at the place 3 studs sheared off, so did the t.s officer. thats good enough for me .

[Conniff]

TS won't take someone to court on your behalf, they only do it for themselves when they find that the trader is not abiding by the rules and hasn't for a long time.

It need quite a few complaints about someone before TS will look at it.

[roger davis]

LLV have had complaints

[Conniff]

What I'm trying to get at is that if TS charge him with something, that won't get you a refund or any recompense, you will have to go after them yourselves.

 

 

He would be charged with selling wonky vehicles not selling roger davis a wonky vehicle.

[roger davis]

yes i have already talked to t.s about this ,i will go to court about this . t.s said i can get awarded some compensation. all i want is some justice over this.

[Conniff]

Ok, nice one.

 

 

So you are happy with the van but would like reimbursing for what you have paid out and compensation ?

[roger davis]

thats right, all along ive tried to explain that all i would like is to get the money back for the starter motor , new wheels & fitting cost which amounts to £ 580.00, if i got something extra that would be a bonus, but happy with 580.

[heliosuk]

the recovery mechanic new they were the wrong wheel , so did the tyre people at the place 3 studs sheared off, so did the t.s officer. thats good enough for me .

 

Hardly good enough for a court case though is it?

 

It's more likely they had the wrong wheel nuts fitted as opposed to the wrong wheels.

[roger davis]

its very good for a court case, the wheel nuts ive been told make no difference at all, the wheels are wrong . end of.

[Conniff]

That's not entirely correct, Steel wheel and Alloy wheel nuts are very different.

 

 

You should send copies of the bills to them requesting a refund and give them 10 days in which to pay. If they don't then send again only this time head the letter, Letter Before Action and say that you will use the courts without any further notice should he fail to refund.

[heliosuk]

its very good for a court case, the wheel nuts ive been told make no difference at all, the wheels are wrong . end of.

 

Well if you say so. You obviously know more about wheels, hubs, studs and nuts than I do

[roger davis]

the alloys & studs were alloy . what im saying is that nothing fitted, the alloys & studs did not line up properly the alloys were from an entirely different vehicle , such as a hilux truck or so.

[heliosuk]

Alloy studs????????????? Well perhaps a steel alloy but certainly not an aluminium alloy as per the wheel. And either they do line up or they don't otherwise the wheel just won't fit. Unless you start quoting facts you are urinating in the wind so to speak.

[roger davis]

the wheels were forced on , even cross threaded . why cant you accept the fact that LLV are in the wrong. perhaps you like to see them for yourself , or do you work for them???

[heliosuk]

the wheels were forced on , even cross threaded . why cant you accept the fact that LLV are in the wrong. perhaps you like to see them for yourself , or do you work for them???

 

More to the point, why can't you accept the fact that you MIGHT be barking up the wrong tree here? You cannot cross thread a wheel, it has no thread, just a hole. You cannot usually force a wheel on unless the PCD doesn't match and the PCD's are as such that you cannot do it. It sounds like that what has actually happened is that the wrong wheel nuts have been fitted and cross threaded which WILL lead to an insufficient clamp force and thus allow the wheel to move. This is what has more than likely caused the shear of the studs.

I'm certainly not saying LLV are not in the wrong but you have a very funny way of putting things across and your attitude is such that you shoot first based on nonsense information and ask questions later. This is what get's people into trouble when in court. Objective fact counts not your word or that of some muppets who have obviously told you a load of baloney.

No I don't work for LLV but if they want to employ me to defeat your case then I'm open to offers. Don't rely on trading standards either, they are toothless tigers.

[CHRIS44G]

Sounds like this thread :

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?397347-Garage-over-tightened-wheel-nuts-wheel-came-off-car-a-write-off&p=4290795#post4290795

[roger davis]

how can i be barking up the tree, when the wheels dont fit . who said anything about the wheels having a thread? the wheels are wrong for the vehicle, i said the studs have been crossed threaded because the whole setup is wrong. i would rather listen to 3 independent experts on wheels , than you ,sorry.. this will go to court & i am very confident.

[heliosuk]

No you haven't. You have said the wheels were cross threaded and don't fit. So that's the fundamental flaw in your argument. They do fit as they are on the vehicle and cannot be cross threaded as they don't have a thread. Your argument has to be around the fact that the wheel nuts were most probably unsuitable for the type of wheel fitted and that they cross threaded them which in turn led to an insufficient clamp force and most probably led to the stretching of the stud into it's plastic area which will lead to a shear.

When it comes to your independent experts I think I might just out rank them and I know for a fact whose explanation a court will side on!

[roger davis]

i think you have exhausted this thread to the limit, for a start there are no plastic bits on the wheels, you dont have clue. unless you want to come see these wheels i suggest we call it a day, ok. its pretty clear we agree to disagree. all the best.

[heliosuk]

there are no plastic bits on the wheels, you dont have clue.

 

It's a term used to describe an area of the tensile strength (mechanical property) of a metal, especially important in bolts/studs. Another area is the elastic area but then you'd probably think that's something that holds your pants up. It's all relevant to your claim against LLV but you seem intent on listening to Kwik fit type of fitters rather than a Chartered Engineer with a specialism in the mechanical properties of steels and cast irons and who designs these things for a living. You're on your own now as requested.

[Guest ChrisMO]

OOO this company did me...

Edited November 14, 2013 by ChrisMO
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[Guest ChrisMO]

Chris from Lancashire:

What a waste of space! This company are still endangering peoples lives.

I had a Renualt traffic converted by them... My god what a death trap.

Gas cooker: fitted pipe wasn't sealed to the hob correctly. No Gas-safe certificate for fitting. (Against the law)

Rock and roll bed: Asked for a Seatbelt one, was told its a crash tested seat. No certificate with this either and it wasn't crash tested it was pull tested. (Anyone who has one of these and you have people traveling in them stop now! the belts can snap away or the bed can come away from the floor.)

Roof: High roof fitted. Cracked down the left side, leaked, came up as we were driving down the motorway, so the sealant they had used was the wrong one!

Electrics: Not to EU regulations using imported non checked goods. wires melted and fused the system.

Lining: Used two different shades of fleece.

Incorrect invoicing: I received an invoice charging me some items with VAT some with out, they said "Its because those items already have vat added to them" fair enough, Then I got one without. ok Then i got another one same prices as the first one but the total price on the first one was in the first line and they added VAT to them so they were charging VAT on VAT highly illegal.

VAT number: didn't exist. well it did but not for the company who sent the invoice.

They trade under three names.

They alway say it was my colleague you was speaking with I bet there is only one person in the office as I've only met one person. we were give 4 names while i was trying to contact them. dont even bother with the warranty people they are trained in not paying out!

 

All in all it Cost me just over £5000 for the work they did, I argued them down from £6890 as they wanted £780+vat+vat to lay cables! on a 4m area!

 

They advertise £799 for a roof and £749 including vat for furniture. Then they put £749 x 20% on your invoice.

 

I have noticed they have taken to Ebay...

 

They are not a company I would recommend and I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with them in the future. It cost me a further £2980 including vat to fix there cowboy shockers.

Wheres Dom Little when you need him or Ms Robinson!

 

[mandymermaid]

Hi Lesley

I bought a Citroen Relay conversion on December 11th 2012. The heater matrix went immediately and my local garage said it could be dangerous to drive. I had it fixed and entered into a long verbal and written correspondence with them.

Since then there have been lots of things - faulty wiring in the conversion, fridge doesn't work. they didn't send the curtains as promised etc etc. I have been to the Small Claims Court and won the case and I have paid to have the bailiffs seize goods. However, they are registered under numerous names and none of the vehicles are registered to them, so I've lost my money. A very nice bailiff rang me from Leeds and said they are well-known and he gave me their latest company name and registration number. I have now written to Watchdog, as I am determined that they will be 'named and shamed', even if I've lost my money.

If you want to pursue it as well. I can let you have the new name.

Edited December 4, 2013 by mandymermaid
Addendum

[ploddertom]

 

I have been to the Small Claims Court and won the case and I have paid to have the bailiffs seize goods. However, they are registered under numerous names and none of the vehicles are registered to them, so I've lost my money. A very nice bailiff rang me from Leeds and said they are well-known and he gave me their latest company name and registration number. I have now written to Watchdog, as I am determined that they will be 'named and shamed', even if I've lost my money.

If you want to pursue it as well. I can let you have the new name.

 

 

Which Bailiff did you employ?