No Benefits means what for your NI stamp?

[SWLABR9]

Suppose you fail your Atos test and subsequently are refused JSA on the grounds you're too ill to work, as is happening to an increasing number of claimants. You're left to survive on your own with no benefits bar your HB, CT and any DLA or whatever.

 

What happens to your NI stamp? Is it still paid by the state? If not, what happens if you survive long enough to get a state pension? Would you get a reduced one for not paying your stamp?

[MIKEY DABODEE]

You could appeal the ESA decison.

[flumps1976]

If you are not receiving a benefit such as JSA, Incap, ESA, Child Benefit or Carers Allowance then you NI record will not be updated and there is a possibilty that you could fall short for your pension.

If you then survived lon enough without any other form of income and reached retirement age you would be able to consider a claim for Pensioon Credit but yuou would be asked how you had supported yourself financially so possible problems could stil arise.

[SWLABR9]

...assuming you also fail to pass at the tribunal... this is happening to people already and I wondered how this would work out in practice. Expect more next year as the govt are planning to block the appeals process leaving many people without benefits for day to day expenses.

[SWLABR9]

It sounds like these people are simply abandoned for life then.

[MIKEY DABODEE]

If a person has been found fit for work by atos then who could stop them claiming JSA

[flumps1976]

Mikey if someone claims JSA but attends the new claim interview and actually states they are not fit to work they cannot take the claim, sometimes the restrictions people request are not able to be acceoted by the new claim advisers and the claim cannot continue.

Seen it happen many times.

[Nystagmite]

I've heard of that too. It's silly.

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Mikey if someone claims JSA but attends the new claim interview and actually states they are not fit to work they cannot take the claim, sometimes the restrictions people request are not able to be acceoted by the new claim advisers and the claim cannot continue.

Seen it happen many times.

 

Oh not good see OP point now

this is interesting it says you can make a new claim if the ESA appeal is lost

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?290001-If-ESA-Appeal-is-unsuccessful-can-I-make-new-claim

Edited June 21, 2012 by MIKEY DABODEE

[SWLABR9]

The above is a good idea right now but there's also the question of what one's supposed to live on if one's waiting for one's reconsideration pending making an appeal from May next year (as I referred to briefly above), which is when the **** is really going to start hitting the fan. No ESA will be made available for people who wish to appeal so they'll have to try for ESA but very many, being ill, will not be able to meet the conditions for JSA. They should still get HB and so on but no benefits for day to day expenses. In my view the govt will be using this reconsideration excuse to permanently block access to appeals so these people will be permanently denied benefits. What if they need medication, would they still be entitled to free NHS treatment if they weren't receiving JSA or ESA? What about dental treatment, would they still be entitled to NHS treatment? I could imagine seeing bodies appearing in the streets next year if this isn't stopped.

[flumps1976]

Health care costs are not only dependant on being in receipt of means tested benefits, the person concerned could obtain form HC1 from any of the health practioners or is available from their local JCP office. this form is then assessed on their circumstances and takes both income and expenditure into account so there is still a possibilty that they could receive help with prescription costs and of course they would be entitled to NHS treatment in the same manner as anyone else

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/moneytaxandbenefits/benefitstaxcreditsandothersupport/illorinjured/dg_10018978