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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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I have been thinking about this a lot and I was wondering if there was any scope to make the argument that the banks take advantage of thier customers. They apply the charges to the account knowing full well most people are more likely to get divorced or move home than change thier bank account.

 

They do this regardless of the effects in terms of generating more charges or ensuring other PRIORITY creditors are not paid. It shows how out of hand things are that the first thing any debt advice charity will do is advise you to open a safe bank account. They know in some cases all the pleading and the financial statements in the world will not stop the bank hammering the client with charges and interest.

 

The only real justification for the status quo is that it is in the contract, but given that we're looking at the fairness of the contract this may not hold up.

 

We also need to be careful about the terminology used in relation to charges. A lot of media articles make reference to paying charges but that's not really what happpens is it?

 

The bank applies the charges to the account whether or not the money is in there. They argue they are service charges which I believe means they should invoice seperately for them like any other service provider. At least then if the customer could not afford a charge the debt spiral would not affect the account, the mortgage of the council tax could still be paid that month.

 

In all honest there are several reasons why the banks do not send such an invoice. First they know people would be far more likely to notice the size of the service fees and question them. Secondly the invoicing would cost more, particularly with the added complaints and people not paying. Finally as noted above they know most people won't move so effectively they have them over a barrel.

 

 

If this would be better moved to legalities or some other place that is fine, I just felt it was a point worth making and discussing.

The views I express here are mere speculation based on my experience. I am not qualified nor insured to give legal advice and any action you take will be at your own risk.

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They argued that the charges were for consideration of whether to pay or not.

Furthermore, on page 14 of OFT1154 it is stated:

 

"3.14 The OFT believes that the fourth challenge described is also likely to be

difficult to mount successfully. Even if such a challenge could be

brought successfully, it is likely to be limited in its potential effect, in

particular because the OFT has been given indications (and has no

evidence to the contrary) that banks generally order the sequence of

payments where possible in a way that is not harmful to, or even

benefits, the interests of customers."

 

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/personal-current-accounts/oft1154

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FSA Waiver on Bank Charges:http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/Doing/Regulated/Notify/Waiver/pdf/dir_quart_0709.pdf

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I don't entirely follow that, there must be hundreds if not thousands of cases where the bank charges have caused other ESSENTIAL items to go unpaid. This is not a sensible decision by customers, but a decision I fell a significant number would make.

 

I can't think of any beneficial examples but I'm open to suggestions.

The views I express here are mere speculation based on my experience. I am not qualified nor insured to give legal advice and any action you take will be at your own risk.

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