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Hey guys,

 

Just after some advice really. I have been unemployed since graduating uni in July. I haven't claimed job seekers up until now because i thought i'd be able to find a suitable job and tbh i didn't want to scrounge off the system. However, i'm broke now so i reluctantly decided to apply and had my assessment interview organised for Wednesday.

 

Now, as a stroke of luck it seemed, i was offered a Job trial for Wednesday. I went to this, and the job seemed ok but the manager/owner was fairly aggressive, but i thought i would be able to cope. Anyways at about 4pm i asked her if i was doing ok, on the basis that if i was to be offered the position i would cancel my job seekers interview. She said yes.

 

So, i went into work yesterday and it was a nightmare. She made me cry 3 times over the course of the day and eventually i walked out. Now, usually i'm a stronger person than that but she was nit-picking over things and rather than telling me i'd done something wrong once, she'd labour the point and tell me a million times and then mention everything else i'd done wrong again. The role was advertised as an office administrator but actually seemed to involve a lot of editing/page setting which, in my opinion, are skilled jobs.

 

Also, the *job* was on a self employed basis for 3 months rather than being employed by a company - i'm not sure if this is relevant. I was to be paid a month in arrears after producing an invoice. No contract.

 

So i went home yesterday and decided i didn't want to go back. It's not worth it for £6 an hour. The problem is, that she is going to tell the job centre that i turned down the job and that i walked out unjustified, which i don't think is true. I walked out because the job on offer was nothing like what was advertised, the pay was rubbish for the job and the manager was awful.

 

I have no intention of back claiming the job seekers, but do you think they will accept my new claim? Or have i completely shot myself in the foot here?

 

Any advice greatly appreciated. I have a rearranged JSA appointment for Monday.

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Do you have the job advert bandana? Does it say self employed on it?

 

You're not obliged to seek self employed work by the DWP. Plus you were only there a day so just say it was a misunderstanding and you thought it was employed.

 

Also mention in the fact you were doing things other than what the job was described as.

 

I can't see a problem otherwise.

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It doesn't matter if you were self-employed or not if you were still working for an employer. If you left the job voluntarily then the processing office must contact that employer and verify the information that you have provided.

 

The fact that it was only a day may make the decision favourable but they will also take into account what the employer says. If you receive correspondence from them asking you to elaborate on what you have said then make it clear that what was offered was not the job you were doing.

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It doesn't matter if you were self-employed or not if you were still working for an employer.

 

Pardon?:confused:

 

If you are self employed you are not working for an employer, you are working for yourself or a contractor.

 

The DWP doesn't compel you to work self employed so the lad has only to say he didn't realise this as he felt misled into this job and it only lasted a day so he quit.

 

No problems.

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I was under the impression that you can decide if a work trial is for you or not? Iwas told in my jobcentre that, if I got a work trial and decided it wasn't for me, I could leave it. Not sure if I was given the right advice there. I think you could use that when asked by the jobcentre why you walked out. You can say you don't agree with it being self employed and you didn't like the place.

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I was under the impression that you can decide if a work trial is for you or not? Iwas told in my jobcentre that, if I got a work trial and decided it wasn't for me, I could leave it. Not sure if I was given the right advice there. I think you could use that when asked by the jobcentre why you walked out. You can say you don't agree with it being self employed and you didn't like the place.

 

No skonk, you need to register the job trial first with DWP otherwise its considered just walking away from a job.

 

The lad will have no problems as it is quite clear the employer were shysters and he's never been on benefit before-hardly the action of a scrounger or lazy get.

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Thanks for the advice, guess i'll just go to the job centre and see what they say. But hopefully i do have some sort of backing. I've got emails that were sent between me and the employer which, tbh she comes across as barking in. Whilst i always tried to retain some professionalism.

 

And yeh, i'm hoping the job centre will see i'm not trying to scrounge off the system, i've been unemployed since July and haven't attempted to claim before even though i've been actively seeking work all this time. I'm actually really embarrassed that i've reached the point where i've got to claim benefits. My mates think i'm stupid for not claiming when i legitimately could have done in this time, but i paid tax on my first gap year and it's a bugger.

 

It sucks to be a graduate who can't even get a job in a coffee shop! I sent off 4 job applications yesterday and i'm hoping that i can start work as an adult education tutor soon (need to be enrolled on a course that doesn't start til the end of Feb) so i shouldn't have to claim for more than a month, at least this is what i'm hoping!

 

But yeh, thanks for the reassurance!

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Pardon?:confused:

 

If you are self employed you are not working for an employer, you are working for yourself or a contractor.

 

That was not clear from what bandana said. Therefore I was offering advice based on not knowing which was correct. You were giving advice without knowing the facts.

 

I still would like to know how the "self-employment" was set out from bandana so that we know for sure that it was.

 

Did the employer pay your tax at source or not?

Do the HMRC and Ni contributions offices know that you are self-employed.

 

If you answer "No" and "Yes" then you're okay. If not you may have to explain to the jobcentre a bit more.

 

The emails that you have will certainly support the reason that you left voluntarily.

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That was not clear from what bandana said. Therefore I was offering advice based on not knowing which was correct. You were giving advice without knowing the facts.

 

I still would like to know how the "self-employment" was set out from bandana so that we know for sure that it was.

 

Did the employer pay your tax at source or not?

Do the HMRC and Ni contributions offices know that you are self-employed.

 

If you answer "No" and "Yes" then you're okay. If not you may have to explain to the jobcentre a bit more.

 

The emails that you have will certainly support the reason that you left voluntarily.

 

 

Perhaps "self employed" is the wrong term. What i mean is that the boss expected me to work for a month and then invoice her and she would produce a cheque for me. There was to be no contract and she said things like, well if i don't like the quality of your work i wouldn't expect to pay you for all the hours you bill! Which tbh i think is DODGY as hell.

 

We never got into discussions about tax or NI contributions, but i suspect she had no intention of paying the tax and it would all be up to me. No the HMRC and NI contributions office don't know that i am/was self employed because i went to the job assuming i would be employed by the company so never got around to organising this. She's currently saying she won't pay me for the 2 days i worked for her although i do intend to invoice her because, in my opinion, she's exploiting people. But don't worry, i will tell the job centre this.

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Okay, so you weren't self-employed as such because you were working for them. It's a strange arrangement to have to invoice your own employer for payment. Looks like they totally plan not to pay you. These things are all things you need to tell the jobcentre.

 

If they don't want you on their books and the jobcentre send out a verification to them it might be interesting what they say.

 

Let us know how it goes...:)

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