Rats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[schrodingers cat]

hi

As the title suggests i`m curious to the law regarding the killing of rats (the animal variety not the d.c.a kind)

I know that in some cases rats need to be controlled especially in food factory`s and it seems killing is the only real way tho i am against killing anything. i know of a place where they put out humane traps for the rats,then leave them there for hours while people come and go,looking at them,kicking the cage etc then the guy who sees himself as executioner comes along and drowns them in a bucket of hot water,i see this more as tortured to death than killing and i need a law to quote to get this practice changed.

i know they are rats and most people hate them but if they have to be killed they deserve a quick death and i`m sure whatever law applies to rats also applies to all other so called vermin and some things are classed as vermin that you might not expect ie, any of various small animals or insects that are pests this includes anything that prey`s on game,foxes,squirrels and quite a few birds.it seems the human race isn`t vermin but why i dont know

S.C

[Gilbert_O'Sullivan]

Rats are disgusting, dirty little creatures and I splatter them with a shovel if I ever come across one or if my cat brings one home to play with.

 

What are you worried about?

[schrodingers cat]

not not really my point its not the killing i`m objecting to its the method your shovel is quick and as i explained previously i`m opposed to killing anything so i have to set them free and that is causing me strife at work so what i`m after is not a judgement on my morals but a method of making them do it properly

its called compassion ie; the humane quality of understanding the suffering of others and wanting to do something about it

S.C

[Gilbert_O'Sullivan]

Being humane has nothing to do with it, rats are not human!

 

I'm sorry but if i was your boss at work and you wanted to keep vermin as pets then i'd also be angry!

 

rats cause diseases.

[patdavies]

rats cause diseases.

 

Actually, they carry/harbour/spread disease - they don't cause it. The cause is bacteria or viruses.

[gyzmo]

I believe its actually fleas / lice etc that they carry. Sme diffeence though - it;s not our rodent friends.

 

And my guinea pig is looking rather agitated all of a sudden...

[robin9342]

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/pdf/ukpga_20060045_en.pdf

 

In answer to the OPs question, Under the Animal Welfare Act 2006, It is an offence to cause unneccessary suffering to ANY vertebrate animal, which includes rats. So, yes, drowning them in a bucket of hot water is illegal.

 

However, I believe it is also an offence to set vermin free once they have been caught.

[gyzmo]

I believe Imperial Tobacco, Astra Zeneca and others are looking for some volunteers....

[Gilbert_O'Sullivan]

Actually, they carry/harbour/spread disease - they don't cause it. The cause is bacteria or viruses.

 

An AIDS sufferer can spread that disease with their indescriminate shenannigins, if so inclined.

 

If I were to contract AIDS from them then I'm damn sure they would be the cause!

[seftonview]

You could always buy him a pellet gun for christmas...

 

SV

[MARTIN3030]

There was a problem with them in Salford Quays in Manchester,but they have now made their way down to London.

Saved environmental health £1000s

 

 

Obviously City rats

Edited November 15, 2008 by MARTIN3030

[boavista1952]

They are tasty, very very tasty:D

 

YouTube - Eating rats - world food and cooking - BBC

[MARTIN3030]

Really ?

I didnt see any in Tesco yet.

[schrodingers cat]

Being humane has nothing to do with it, rats are not human!

 

I'm sorry but if i was your boss at work and you wanted to keep vermin as pets then i'd also be angry!

 

rats cause diseases.

humane is the quality i`m showing its nothing to do with what i`m showing it to and as i said previously i`m not asking for a debate on my morals or even your lack of i just wanted to know how the law stands and now i do thanx to robin9342,maybe you should stick to important stuff like how old various items in your house are

look at it like this

inspite of my name i`m not really a great fan of cats,they take what they want and if you dont supply it they`ll go elsewhere,they are users,there are lots of them running wild around here,i could argue they are vermin

the local yobs think it is fun to throw them in an open grave in the graveyard and then throw a couple of dogs in,does this mean i should do nothing about it ? of course not

and i didn`t say i wanted to keep them as pets all i want is them to have a quick death,not too much to ask is it,so if your going to comment further read the post properly and try and make it relevant to what i asked,the bear garden is for general chit chat,go there to post your general opinions

S.C

[Gogivit]

Schrodingers cat- You'll be please to know that I am compassionate to all animals. Whether it be rats or insects or anything.

 

At a place where I once worked, there was a slightly injured pigeon and facilities asked for someone to kill it. After raising my horror the bird was eventually released into Bushes whereby I felt it had at least another chance.

 

With regards to the rats, the point of humane traps is to not kill them but release them at another time and location many miles from where they were caught. To as you state they then are not released but put into boiling water is a hideous act and could only be carried out by an individual who has a killing instinct! I would make a formal complaint about this at your workplace demanding action! In fact this must be very distressing for you and your other work collegues though some might not admit to it!

 

Gilbert's comment "that if he were to catch Aids" should be addressed also as Aids can not be contracted but the virus hiv can which may or may not lead to Aids.

[Monty2007]

Rats are not a protected species. As I see it you have a few options (i) a rodenticide (usually come as pellets or a drink) , however they mainly act as ani-clotting agents which causes the animial to die from internal bleeding.

 

(ii) Another way is a rat trap, like the ones used for mice but much bigger. I would avoid catching and releasing since they will only re-appear to cause havoc somewhere else.

 

Rats are notorious for spreading disease and you may have heard of the bubonic plague? hence the negative rat PR you are seeing here.

 

If you are a tree-hugger you could always catch and befriend the animal and form a long lasting relationship that this lady seems to have done

 

Personally I think it would tear your ear off and pass on some terrible disease.........

 

Anyway, good luck

[schrodingers cat]

 

If you are a tree-hugger you could always catch and befriend the animal and form a long lasting relationship that this lady seems to have done

 

 

Personally I think it would tear your ear off and pass on some terrible disease.........

 

Anyway, good luck

Tree hugger ? if that is a person who cares about all things on this planet yes i suppose i am but i have a problem with the name as i do with any typecasting you seem to have the same problem as gilbert,i do not want to befriend the rats tho i do not want them killed but being a realistic tree hugger i can see that you cant have them running round a food factory so they have to be delt with so lets deal with them properly,i let the rat go cos its fate was going to be the same as the previous one`s caught,if something needs to be removed then whatever it is its fate should be as quick and painless as possible and that was not the case

now they shoot the one`s they catch through the head with an air rifle i cant say i`m happy about this but i`m happier than i was,its quick and this has got to be better than the previous arrangement which was nothing less than torture.remember they live in our crap they pick up diseases from our rubbish they flourish because of us

You usually find that people who get pleasure out of torturing animals are the one`s who in later life beat their wives and children

If you really think i am wrong for wanting to reduce the suffering of anything be it human,animal or yes even trees tho i`m not really of the opinion that trees suffer they just make the place look nice not to mention clean our atmosphere then i think you`ve got the problem.i cant for the life of me see how trying to reduce the suffering of anything is wrong

S.C

[schrodingers cat]

An AIDS sufferer can spread that disease with their indescriminate shenannigins, if so inclined.

 

If I were to contract AIDS from them then I'm damn sure they would be the cause!

prehaps you could share with the rest of us how aids came to be on this planet cos i cannot find any information that says that it was created by people with their indescriminate behaviour whatever that means tho i`d imagine you blame the gays of this world,nothing to do with blood transfusions from blood that was not properly screened of course or any of the other ways it can be contracted

you seem to be a bigot ie a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

not really a good trait in a person

S.C

[Gilbert_O'Sullivan]

prehaps you could share with the rest of us how aids came to be on this planet cos i cannot find any information that says that it was created by people with their indescriminate behaviour whatever that means tho i`d imagine you blame the gays of this world,nothing to do with blood transfusions from blood that was not properly screened of course or any of the other ways it can be contracted

you seem to be a bigot ie a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

not really a good trait in a person

S.C

 

 

 

Who mentioned the gays? It was you, so that shows your own opinions!

 

Get a grip, who on earth wants to befriend a dirty, stinking rat, apart from you and Michael Jackson with his rodent Ben!

 

Rats should be killed on sight, no ifs or buts.

[Monty2007]

Tree hugger ? if that is a person who cares about all things on this planet yes i suppose i am but i have a problem with the name as i do with any typecasting you seem to have the same problem as gilbert,i do not want to befriend the rats tho i do not want them killed but being a realistic tree hugger i can see that you cant have them running round a food factory so they have to be delt with so lets deal with them properly,i let the rat go cos its fate was going to be the same as the previous one`s caught,if something needs to be removed then whatever it is its fate should be as quick and painless as possible and that was not the case

now they shoot the one`s they catch through the head with an air rifle i cant say i`m happy about this but i`m happier than i was,its quick and this has got to be better than the previous arrangement which was nothing less than torture.remember they live in our crap they pick up diseases from our rubbish they flourish because of us

You usually find that people who get pleasure out of torturing animals are the one`s who in later life beat their wives and children

If you really think i am wrong for wanting to reduce the suffering of anything be it human,animal or yes even trees tho i`m not really of the opinion that trees suffer they just make the place look nice not to mention clean our atmosphere then i think you`ve got the problem.i cant for the life of me see how trying to reduce the suffering of anything is wrong

S.C

 

I did not say there was anything wrong with being a tree huger, I would also classify myself as the same. I am an animal lover and would not want any animal to suffer and that is why I offered the advice I did. I have been to rat shows (yes there are pedigree rats out there) and do not have anything against them.

 

I have read that you are never more than 10 ft away from a rat. Can't remember where I read it but the point was that we are infested with these rodents and they do spread disease, though (as mentioned above) can be companions at the same time.

[Monty2007]

Who mentioned the gays? It was you, so that shows your own opinions!

 

Get a grip, who on earth wants to befriend a dirty, stinking rat, apart from you and Michael Jackson with his rodent Ben!

 

Rats should be killed on sight, no ifs or buts.

 

The thread seemed to have moved onto a number of different topics that are now heated and nothing to do with the rat question.

 

I am requesting a mod close down this thread with immediate effect.

[schrodingers cat]

i`ll simplify this debate then

Is it right to cause anything to suffer and if so what and why ?

personally i think nothing that is innocent should be made to suffer and i define innocent as that which goes about its daily life and causes no malicious suffering but i`m sure if your pedantic you can pick holes on my definition even tho you will surely know what i mean.

animals that are not self aware cannot in my opinion cause malicious suffering with the possible exeption of cats who seem to relish torturing their victims and are the only other species that i know of besides humans that see killing as sport but i`d put that down to they are hunters and do not have the intellect to see what they are doing unlike humans so they also should be free from retribution

on the other hand there is that guy who recently battered that child to death in his case as in the case of every other human who causes misery on that scale i think he should get exactly what he gave out an eye for an eye as the religious people put it

and mr sullivan it was an assumption based on what your previous post said that is "indescriminate shenannigins" if this wasn`t a referance to peoples sexual behaviour then what was it ? as there is nothing else that i know of that was a means to spreading aids that would fall into that catagory and as it was the popular misconception by the mindless that this was the sole fault of the gay fraternity i assumed that that was what you meant if this was not the case i apologise

can you please point out to me where i actually said i wanted to befriend this rat

I LET IT GO COS IT WAS GOING TO BE TORTURED AND NOT KILLED HUMANELY is that clear enough for you

suffering of anything should be prevented and if they have to die then lets do it with as little misery as possible

I`d love to debate this further but it will have to wait untill tomorrow as i`m going out for dinner vegetarian i may add

[schrodingers cat]

The thread seemed to have moved onto a number of different topics that are now heated and nothing to do with the rat question.

 

I am requesting a mod close down this thread with immediate effect.

please do its getting ridiculous

[postggj]

before this thread is closed down i would like to make a quick point

 

has any one posting worked in the catering trade

rats/mice are a big problem, they are survivors

restaurants employ pest control but they can be never beaten, what ever measures are in place

 

ime not going ito the nasties they carry, but think about it

poisend bait and air rifle are used, but only contain the problem, not eradicate

 

they are classed as vermin and desearve all they get, but that is why pest control measures are in place, to act with in the law on culling.

 

what needs to be addressed is why the rats are on the increase.

my number 1 reason is bin collections every two weeks to save money.

go back to weekly and let nature take its course as the food suply will be limited

[Monty2007]

before this thread is closed down i would like to make a quick point

 

has any one posting worked in the catering trade

rats/mice are a big problem, they are survivors

restaurants employ pest control but they can be never beaten, what ever measures are in place

 

ime not going ito the nasties they carry, but think about it

poisend bait and air rifle are used, but only contain the problem, not eradicate

 

they are classed as vermin and desearve all they get, but that is why pest control measures are in place, to act with in the law on culling.

 

what needs to be addressed is why the rats are on the increase.

my number 1 reason is bin collections every two weeks to save money.

go back to weekly and let nature take its course as the food suply will be limited

 

Dear Postggj

This is the first sensible comment (apart from mine) that has been posted, you obviously are well qualified to comment, given have have had rat problems in the past and your suggestion is very good but relies on the collection of the (food) source. What about "humaine" methods of culling?

Edited November 16, 2008 by Monty2007
apalling grammar/spelling