palmer biggs fake claim form re BMW infringement

[balmerpiggs]

Hi

I am hoping for some outcome advice as to people that have had dealing with Palmer Biggs legal

 

 

,after receiving my first bundle of papers from them earlier this year

and more recently a draft court claim form that related to a large German based car company

and their intellectual property rights ,

 

 

A Google search of them for advice led me to this site and I have found many interesting threads relating to people who found them selves in very similar situations to the one I am in with Palmer Biggs

(it also seems that PB have been successful in having lots of other search results withdrawn from Google results )

with threads dating back to 2011 ,

 

 

so far I have not responded to any letters or made any contact with PB

firstly due to me not being able to comply with the quite big list of demands

regarding information they require regarding sources of the items I was selling

and details of sales profits and stock location etc ,

 

 

They also demanded payment of £1000 plus that felt like quite a big blow ,

 

 

another reason I have done nothing is that to be quite honest I felt this firm could be anybody

simply sending out demands and scary looking legal letters hoping that people will pay up without much of a fight

and if what I was doing regarding this car company was illegal

then I would have expected contact via a knock on the door from the relevant agency policing such matters

rather than a bill from a solicitors that appears to have an office above an estate agents,

 

 

The items they seemed to have taken issue with were what I would consider a side line

and not the main core stock of semi related items offered on eBay

 

 

after receiving the letter from PB the items they took issue with have been withdrawn from sale

and removed from our possession and premises .

 

 

Although there are a good number of years old threads I have yet to find anybody come back

and say I did nothing and nothing has ever happened ,

 

 

To be quite honest I would be willing to negotiate an end to the matter

if I could do so on terms I could comply with

 

 

am worried about once replying then being on the hook so if any body has either negotiated

an end of not heard anything since them I would be grateful for some insight and advice

[dx100uk]

so you have NOT received a COURT claimform [blue thing]

 

 

just their simple usual threat-o-gram.

 

 

dx

[balmerpiggs]

Yes I suppose that's correct ,I Have not received an official or genuine court claim form

,

what they have sent me is a repeat of the original correspondence

and also a look a like court claim form with DRAFT stamped on it

 

I believe its a genuine court form that they have photo copied and placed my details

and has brief details of what I would assume they would intend to claim

if they were to submit it to a real court ,

 

 

on the bottom the court address is Chancery Chambers Royal Courts of Justice 7 rolls Building Fetter Lane London

,and on the top right corner it says IN THE Intellectual Property enterprise Court ,

 

 

But I am 100% sure it has not been sent from the court it has been sent from Palmer Biggs

[dx100uk]

first time I think we've heard of them pulling that stunt.

 

 

yes anyone can download that form

fill it in

and post it off to someone

hoping to spoof them.

 

 

the was a private parking company that used to do that

not so long ago

they got hammered for it by the relevant authorities.

 

 

we've certainly never had or seen anyone taken to court by palmer briggs

and most certainly

anything they fleece out of people

never gets to anyone that 'should' receive recompense for a supposed copyright breach.

 

 

they are a bit like RLP and acas law

 

 

pers I'd ignore it.

 

 

this is probably their new tactic as most people have learned

through sites like CAG

that they never actually do anything

and are simply out to fleece people

for their own profit.

 

 

if this is the case that its a new tactic

I expect we'll see a few more appear on CAG soon.

[citizenB]

Are they allowed to use Official Court documents in this way ?

[dx100uk]

nope!

[dx100uk]

you could always pay the fake claimform with a bag of monopoly money...

[AndyOrch]

Are they allowed to use Official Court documents in this way ?

 

If they are using Court forms to mislead and intimate...I would bring that to the FCAs/MoJ attention.

[panther12]

They may have covered themselves with the words DRAFT. I would view that as just trying to intimidate a payment as if they really ment business then why arse about, just do it. A genuine claim form would be served direct from the court.

[balmerpiggs]

The form I received can be seen on the Gov.uk website to download and can be found by Searching Google for "claim form N1"

it is a blue form

 

 

 

 

However I have noticed a couple of areas a missing from the form I received from PB

In the top right box I don't have the section that says

 

 

Fee Account No.

 

 

And lower down the first page I don't have the box that says

 

 

You must indicate your preferred County Court Hearing Centre for hearings here (see notes for guidance)

I don't suppose it matters that on this draft I have received they are missing as they would no doubt be there if it was a real form they were going to send

[dx100uk]

if I remember rightly

PB tried taking

ebay to court in 2009

and they got hammered

 

 

since then

all they try and do is go for the sellers

 

 

and having searched

there are NO successful cases for them

other than where the punter has been stupid enough to continue selling bits.

 

 

dx