Help needed logbook loan

[Kevin2202]

Hi all been reading a lot of story's on this site bout lbl and need some help as

 

 

I had received a letter saying they are taking my car in 21 days as last owner took loan on car

 

 

I hav bill of sale that I could post to show use if it would help but

 

 

I have been reading 1 post that said you can't take a bos out on cars 8yrs old as mine is 2002

and the letter says from 2014

 

 

if could get any help would b very grateful as

 

 

I am bit worried

 

 

now terrible that this can go on now

 

 

how many laws they have now thanks

[citizenB]

I will try and find someone who can help.

 

If you are going to post any documents up, please do ensure you have removed any identifiers, name, address, account references, before doing so.

 

If you could convert your image to pdf, it will upload more easily using either the image attachment or the manage attachment facility.

[fkofilee]

Tell us more... who is the company in question?

 

First thing to check that the BOS is genuine in which you can do by contacting the court service. Check other threads, think the info is there.

Also I would keep the car on private land, in a garage or somewhere far away from the house until this whole situation is resolved.

 

When buying the car, did you not do a full HPI check? IF not then sadly thats something that youll need to learn the hard way.

As this relates to a third party, its going to conflict with Data Protection laws. there will be limited info youll be able to get, but the guys will be along shortly as the LBL stuff is not my "Forte"

[dx100uk]

from my notes.

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logbook loan repossessions are not always legal,

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if linked to a CCA agreement or if the BOS has not been registered with the high court.

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If BOS registered then yes they can reposses,

but have to show registration and debt details.

Registration

A bill of sale can only be enforced if it was properly registered.

Since this is an expensive and difficult process,

it is rare that this actually happens.

However, failure to register the bill of sale renders it void,

and so renders any security on goods void.

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Consequently, before allowing any creditor to gain possession of your goods,

ask to see a registered copy of the bill showing the supreme courts seal.

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You can also call the national debt line, and ask them how to search the registry yourself.

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Also a valid DN must be issued.

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If linked to a CCA then can not reposses if on private property without a court order

( but can if on public road and under a third has only been paid ).

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Over a third, they need a court order wherever it is.

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check for...[bOS]

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No Independant signature

No Independant Witness

Not Registered With The High Court In 7 Days

not registered AT ALL!

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Credit Agreement Details Not On The Bill Of Sale

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how to check:

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email:QBEnforcement@hmcts.gsi.g ov.uk.[no spaces]

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ring:020 7947 7772

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write:

QB Enforcement Section,

Room E15-E17,

Royal Courts of Justice,

Strand, London, WC2A

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ideally you need the BOS number

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however

they can search by the Reg Number

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also see:

http://www.fca.org.uk/firms/firm-types/consumer-credit/consumer-credit-research/logbook-loans

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Do you have a problem with a Logbook Loan?

With Citizens advice estimating that over 60,000 of these loans were taken out in 2014 alone

an increasing number a causing severe difficulty and distress for borrowers.

In this guide we explain what a logbook loan is, and how they work.

What you can do if you have a repayment problem,

and what you can do if you have unknowingly bought a car with a logbook loan attached.

Three golden rules for Logbbok Loans

1)No matter how desperate you are to purchase a car, or raise cash,

NEVER consider this type of Finance

These loans are designed purely for the benefit of the lenders.

With APRs of 400+%, little consumer protection, and aggressive debt collectionicon practices

they should be avoided at all costs.

2)When purchasing a used car from whatever source,private or trade,

ALWAYS do a FULL GENUINE HPI CHECK costing around £20,

these come with a guarantee against any form of existing finance, including lbl's

3)If you have any problem with a Logbook Loan,

your first step is ALWAYS to check that the Bill Of Sale has been registered

with the High Court. You can do this here-

to check if registered

Contact Details

QB Enforcement Section

Room E15-17

Royal Courts of Justice

Strand

London

WC2A 2LL

DX 44450 Strand

Telephone: 020 7947 7772

Fax: 0870 324 0024

Email: QBEnforcement@hmcts.gsi.g ov.uk

You may read on the internet that your BOSicon will be void if witnessed by your lbl lender

Since the OFT( as was) lost the attestation case on appeal by 2 to1 this is NOT the case

full details here http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup...method=boolean

Logbook loans are a form of credit dating back to the Victorian era,

derived from the 1878/1882 Bills Of Sale Acts, with terms and conditions to match in many cases.

Problems are manyfold from extortionate charges by lenders for calling a customer,

to repossessions where owners have been left at the side of a busy road,

unable to get to work, and even sexual harassment via debt collection.

Poor practices abound, unsurprising when there is no incentive for lenders

to ensure their customers understand the terms or can afford the repayments.

In fact the very nature of this form of finance could be seen to encourage bad behaviour

– why carry out affordability checks if a single missed payments means you get to keep

the money and takeaway the car?

How does it work?

When you take out a logbook loan you will be asked to hand over your vehicle’s logbook

or vehicle registration document, which proves you are the registered keeper of the vehicle.

You’ll also have to sign a credit agreement and a form called a ‘bill of sale’.

This means the lender now owns your vehicle on a temporary basis

but you are still able to use it so long as you meet all loan repayments.

These documents are recognised by law in England, Wales and Northern Ireland

but are not used in Scotland.

The law only recognises a bill of sale if the lender registers it with the High Court.

If it’s not registered, the lender must get a court’s approval to repossess your vehicle.

You should check if the bill of sale is registered.

 

What you should do if you have a repayment problem

1) check your Bill Of Sale is registered as above

2) the lender must send you a default notice which complies with the requirements of s87(1)cca1974

allowing you fourteen clear days to remedy any default (which can be after one missed payment)

You should , if your lender will not negotiate a reduced payment, straight away on receipt of the dn

look to take out a time order. This gains you the protection of the court, which can look into the overall loan--

https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/...t/Default.aspx

 

What you can do if you have purchased a car with an existing logbook loan

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If you receive a letter threatening to repossess the car or an enforcement officer

turns up at your home to take it, you may not be able to stop them.

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•ask to see proof of their identity and their authorisation to take the car

•ask to see the bill of sale document – they have to show you this if you ask for it

•if you feel threatened by how an enforcement officer is behaving, call the polic

•ask for written confirmation of what has been taken

•get the contact details for the logbook loan company.

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If the lender has taken your car, you can try to get it back

and reclaim your money from the seller.

However, this can be a costly and time-consuming process and is not guaranteed to succeed.

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If you want to get the car back, you could pay off the outstanding loan

and then take the person who sold you the car to court, to try to get your money back.

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If you just want to get your money back, you can take the person who sold you the car to court.

Always get independent advice before you decide to take someone to court.

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Some lenders are members of the consumer crediticon Trade Association (CCTA),

which has a code of practice covering logbook loans.

The code of practice says the lender must register the logbook loan on a register,

so it will show up when you carry out a history check on the car.

It also says they must obey certain rules when they repossess a car.

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If you are unhappy with the way a logbook loan lender or its enforcement officers have behaved,

find out whether they are a member. If so, you can complain directly to the CCTA.

However this code is regularly ignored

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http://www.ccta.co.uk/content/our-code.aspx

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Finally both the Financial Conduct Authority and the Law Commission are investigating

Logbook Lending and the associated legislation,

full details here--

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http://www.fca.org.uk/firms/firm-typ.../logbook-loans

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http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/...ls-of-sale.htm

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for anyones info, you must act immediately on receipt of a default notice

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What you should do if you have a repayment problem

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1) check your Bill Of Sale is registered as above

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2) the lender must send you a default notice which complies with the requirements of s87(1)cca1974

allowing you fourteen clear days to remedy any default (which can be after one missed payment)

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You should , if your lender will not negotiate a reduced payment, straight away on receipt of the default notice look to take out a time order. This gains you the protection of the court, which can look into the overall loan--

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https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/...t/Default.aspx

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dx

[Kevin2202]

Thanks for the replay

 

 

I am going to see the citizens advice today but was just wanting to no if that law I mentioned last nite if right that you can't take a bill of sale on a car 8 years old

or over as was on this site and was go in to take a pic of the bill of sale doc

 

 

I have I will take name and relevant name off but only thing stamped is a letter saying borrowers name and lenders name that's it

 

 

with a stamp

 

 

no other names or signatures and on the second piece it says it was witnessed by the women who works in the loans place

 

 

I thought it had to be witnessed by 3rd party but any help would be great

[Kevin2202]

Sorry about the spelling tablet is doing what it wants at the moment

[dx100uk]

no third part witness needed

 

although its not your problem to find out

but it might help your cause if you checked that BOS was registered within 7 days.

 

follow the link in my last email and get the BOS checked as being correctly registered.

 

if its not, that will kill their proposed repo dead.

 

we have seen numerous BOS killed this way.

 

dx

[Kevin2202]

Have checked and it was done in time don't think there is nothing else I can do now except let them take it an try get me money back from seller

[theoldrouge]

if you wish to keep the car, negotiate a reduced settlement with the lbl co,

 

and then claim against the seller, who, having signed a bos, it was not his car to sell