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Hi,

 

I have had a letter back from my DPA request with charges shown, but saying they cannot provide statements as it is not personal information. They also said they don't record manual intervention so cannot provide it. That is funny, they default my account but don't make any notes about it? It must be automated?

 

Anyways I have two questions...

 

1) I know there was a case where a judge ruled banks statements are personal are included in a DPA request, but cannot remember which case to refer them to, so if anyone can remember or help me find the thread it was posted in?

 

2) Shall I just leave the manual intervention thing or write back and ask them to clarify/confrm there was none or have they done enough by not sending it?

 

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Bank statements are outside the scope of the DPA - but you did not ask for statements, you asked for the transaction information.

 

If they have not recorded any manual intervention then that is all you need to know. You have asked for the evidence, they have failed to send any - if they later try to produce manual intervation evidence the court would not be very impressed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you... but I'm 99% sure I read they were classed as personal info.

 

If I thought they had missed some charges off what do I do??

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Thanks I'm just a bit worries they've missed loads of charges off .

 

They have said there was no charges on my loan account, but I defaulted on it - so how come no caharges ?? I know I did!

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I used the template... They listed charges for my accounts (current and credit card) but surely if a loan is defaulted (i missed lots of payments) I must of been charged once??

 

I'm stuck now until I can prove they have missed them out, but I need statements for that!

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If the loan was defaulted they would have produced letters etc., since these have not come with the DPA information, then they have not sent all the information they hold. This needs a bit of thought - and it is getting a bit late.

 

Will have a think on this one and get back to you tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The current account and credit card were also sent to Debt collectors and defaulted..

 

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The thing that hits me straight away is that you asked for "a complete list of transactions and charges", not just a list of charges. They have not provided what you specifically asked for.

 

I would suggest a reply emphasising the information you asked for - perhaps using chunks of the original DPA letter. Also include a reminder of the date the DPA commenced and the number of days remaining for compliance as at the date of this letter.

 

I would then add this to the bottom:

 

Should there be any further attempts to delay or avoid compliance, I will be left with no alternative but to escalate this matter into an official complaint to the Information Commissioner and/or the County Court under s.7 and/or s.13 Data Protection Act

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you - you are right, I will send the letter tmrw... Cheeky gits!

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I have just got round to re-reading the lteer which IF replied with.

 

It says "I note your request for a list of all transactions and charges applied to your accounts on the above plan or alternatively a copy of all bank statements detailing charges. This information is not classed as personal information therefore, we are not required to provide this as part of the DSAR and ordinarily would charge for copy statements, £5.00 per copy"

 

They have attached a list of charges.

 

What would i write back to them? I am entitled to a list of all transactions (charges or non charges) on my accounts aren't I? Is there any legal jargon i should be replying with?

 

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