Are These Road Signs Illegal ?

[sailor sam]

Hmm. In my opinion the sign should have a blue background.

[sailor sam]

theres probably other signs in that area before you get to that particular sign,also,theres probably writing on the road

 

According to street view, there isn't;

 

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[sailor sam]

I don't believe the signage is clear enough. It should be blue because you are more likely to take notice of a sign giving instruction rather than a white one giving information. As it is, it could suggest that the bus lane isn't immediately round the corner... but it is so the restriction is immediate thus meaning there should be an enforceable sign there with a plate showing the times of the enforcement period.

 

I agree with Jamberson... appeal on the grounds the signage before the junction is not the correct type.

[sailor sam]

Thank you to Green_and_Mean , Sailor Sam and Jamberson for looking at the situation from the actual legality side of the situation, I am going to research the actual signs required a bit more but I am almost certain that I will appeal.

My wife was in the wrong being in a Bus Lane but I believe the Council are also in the wrong by not displaying the correct signage and thus being the cause of the transgression.

 

Please keep us posted on what happens. It's likely the council will reject your appeal but that dosn't necessarily mean you cannot take it further.

[sailor sam]

It's odd. You can turn into the road, but can only get out again with a right turn. So perhaps it should have a blue "turn right" arrow, with "except buses" and some times. Something like that, anyway.

 

I don't know what the correct signage should be, but I am pretty sure this is not compliant as it doesn't convey the necessary information, ie that you can't enter the carriageway at all with a left turn. It just says there is a bus lane in that direction.

 

As I said previously, I think if the current sign was blue with an advanced sign prior to it, that would cover it.

[sailor sam]

that road sign is the proper sign for a bus lane as you are emerging from a side street,there is also lettering on the road there in giant white letters stating it is a bus lane,it is blatantly obvious your wife should have turned right and not left,pay the fine and chalk it down to experience,in fact,if you were to go to court and get a nit picking judge she might get fined for driving without due care and attention as well.

 

Actually it isn't. A "proper" sign for a bus lane is blue. The sign that the OPs wife passed was an information sign which, I say again, is not the correct sign at that point.

 

It is absolutely irrelevant what happened prior to the alleged offence being committed. It matters not that the driver knew there was a bus lane there if the signage is incorrect.

[sailor sam]

well if the op managed to get to court,nobody said there was a court involved,its cut and dried really but worse case scenario the op wants to go all the way with it,bit pointless really

 

Not your money though so not your problem is it?

[sailor sam]

Not your money though so not your problem is it?

 

lol,thats for sure!

the signs are blue if you are on the main road not a side street leading onto a main road,and michael browne i used the go to court scenario as an example meaning only an idiot would take the ticket all the way as the offence is totally obvious to most people,maybe not you though!

 

The sign at the start of the bus lane should be blue. As you make the left turn, you immediately enter the bus lane. I'm sure you can work out the rest even with your limited knowledge.

[sailor sam]

ha ha,if the person were to go to court she probably would in such a scenario.Sailor sam I suggest you check the highway code sign for a side street turning into a bus lane,I did even with my limited knowledge,dont bother apologising to me for pointing out the fact you are totally wrong cos I dont care.

 

I don't need to apologise because it is YOU that is wrong. That sign would be correct IFthe bus lane was running along side an available lane to normal traffic. In this case there isn't, there is just the bus lane so there should be either a blue 'instruction' sign or a 'no left turn except buses' with a plate underneath indicating the times of the restriction.

 

Not sure why you keep rambling on about court as there is no court process involved. Mind you, i'm not sure why you are rambling on at all because your contribution to the thread is a big fat zero.

[sailor sam]

well sailor sam,you wont be told so Im not going to waste my time trying to tell you,go and invest in a highway code book,theyre only a couple a quid!

 

No...? But you did anyway! You really need to ask Santa to pop one into YOUR stocking as it's YOU that needs a copy!

 

As I have said, the sign would of been adequate if there had been an alternative route for the OP to have taken to avoid the bus lane. As there wasn't, then a enforceable type sign (either blue or red circular sign) should be at the point where the bus lane begins which is visible to a driver emerging from a side road. The sign that is there is an information sign only and thus, not enforceable. It does not indicate that there is no alternative way to turn left without entering the bus lane.

 

It's as simple as that really, whether you like it or not.

[sailor sam]

Citizenkain, your avatar it very apt for you, as you are obviously the one poking the other in the eye !!

And yes Life is a Pain.....................because of people like you.

Why do you post on an advice thread when all you want to do is criticise ?

 

Note how long he has been a Cagger for then look at his 'reputation' level (shown by the green squares). Says it all really.

[sailor sam]

Has anyone got a hammer and chisel?

[sailor sam]

Can't quite believe that this thread is still rambling on. The OP's question has surely been answered and should be confirmed by an appeal (taking it all the way to the adjudicator if necessary).

[sailor sam]

Good news BUT strange explanation.

 

If they say that "A contravention occured and that had been correctly issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004." and "To confirm this Notice has been cancelled on this occasion only as a gesture of good willi", why are they going to the expense of putting a "No Left Turn" sign in place?

 

Just didn't want the risk of loosing at the adjudicator!

[sailor sam]

yep has said all a long how many more had this happed to, its a way of making a good income, but now its been challenged they will have to put things rite.

 

Maybe a letter to you local rag would be in order? Maybe others in your position could do the same as you!