Parking charge notice by anpr ltd

[mrsceproctor]

Hi Everyone, I have just joined the group today,and need a little help.

Yesterday my daughter borrowed my car , she parked it in a shopping centre car park she ran into the centre to get some change ,when she returned to the car there was this parking charge notice from ANPR LTD, The amount is £50.00 to be paid within 14 days ,if not paid within 14 days it goes up to £100 ,what do we do, pay them or not please advise.

many thanks

[silverfox1961]

Hi and welcome to CAG

 

Firstly, make sure the ticket definitely says Parking Charge notice and not Penalty Charge notice. If it is the former, then you (she) should be fine.

 

These are invoices and not fines and they cannot do much apart from send the ugly letters. Hover your mouse over parking charge and have a read

[renegadeimp]

If its a shopping centre then its almost guaranteed to be a parking charge. Council owned car parks for shopping centres are very rare.

[ims21]

Thread moved the Private Parking forum

[Crocdoc]

Are you in England or Wales, as Scotland differs. Personally I always suggest responding. If you provide a location, I will provide a letter.

 

DO NOT COSIDER PAYING AS THIS SIMPLY ENCOURAGES THESE COMPANIES.

[mrsceproctor]

Hi I live on the Wirral,Cheshire,

[Crocdoc]

In the first instance fill in the blanks and send this letter by recorded delivery and ensure that you keep a copy. In truth this is not my letter as I normally only script Scottish versions which vary considerably. Nevertheless, I can assure you that the following was provided by an extremely reliable source. (Please update us with the response as it is important to gather accurate information)

 

IN THE MEANTIME DON'T CONSIDER PAYING AND DON'T PANIC.

 

 

 

Name

Address

Date

 

Without prejudice, except as to costs Notice to Driver/Keeper (delete as appropriate) [Give its ref number]

On (date) I was the registered keeper of a (make and model of vehicle) registration number (reg number).

 

Before I decide how to deal with your Notice to Driver/Keeper (delete as appropriate), I should be grateful if you would first answer all the questions and deal with all the issues I have set out below. Once you have done so, I will be able to make an informed decision on how I deal with the matter. I dispute the parking charge for the reasons set out below. Please note that although I dispute the whole basis of the parking charge, my main concern is its disproportionate and punitive level. 1. No contract

There was no contract between the driver and [insert name of parking company]. The driver did not see any contractual information on any signs when entering the car park and therefore at that time had no idea that any contract or restrictions applied. As a consequence the requirements for forming a contract such as a meeting of minds, agreement, and certainty of terms were not satisfied.

2. Trespass

If there was no contract, then at most the driver was guilty of a civil trespass (though this is neither admitted nor denied). If this were the case, the driver may be liable to damages. Given that no ‘damage’ was done to the car park and that the car park was not completely full when the driver parked or when the driver left, there was in fact no loss at all.

 

3. Punitive/unfair/unreasonable charge

Even if there was a contract (which is denied), the following matters are relevant: 3(a). Punitive

The parking charge you are imposing is punitive and therefore void (i.e. unenforceable). The £[insert amount] parking charge is arbitrary and disproportionate to any alleged breach of contract or trespass. This would also apply to any mention of any costs incurred through debt recovery unless it followed a court order.

3(b). Unfair

The £[insert amount] parking charge you are imposing is an unfair term (and therefore not binding) under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. In

particular, Schedule 2 of those Regulations which gives an indicative (and non-exhaustive) list of terms which may be regarded as unfair and includes at Schedule 2(1)(e):

 

‘Terms which have the object or effect of requiring any consumer who fails to fulfil his obligation to pay a disproportionately high sum in compensation.’

 

Furthermore, Regulation 5(1) says:

 

‘A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer’

 

And 5(2), which states:

 

‘A term shall always be regarded as not having been individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term.’ 3©. Unreasonable

The £[insert amount] parking charge you are imposing is an unreasonable indemnity clause under section 4(1) of the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977, which says:

 

‘A person cannot by reference to any contract term be made to indemnify another person (whether a party to the contract or not) in respect of liability that may be incurred by the other for negligence or breach of contract, except in so far as the contract term satisfies the requirement of reasonableness.’ Further information I require you to provide and take notice of:

Please note specifically that this letter is not an appeal however, it is a challenge to the issue of the Notice to Driver/Keeper (delete as appropriate) as set out in the BPA AOS Code of Practice B.22. I should be grateful for answers to all questions raised. In this respect I remind you of the obligations set out in the current Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct. 4(a). Cause of action.

 

Please make this clear. If it is your claim that the driver entered into a contract, please send me a complete version of the terms and conditions of that contract to which you say the driver agreed to.

 

4(b). Further to the above please explain fully on which of the following grounds your claim is based:

 

(i) Damages for trespass

(ii) Damages for breach of contract

(iii) A contractual sum

5. Your loss.

 

If it is your case that that a trespass was committed or that a contract was breached such that your claim is one for damages, please give me a full breakdown of the actual loss you say was suffered by your business or the landowner/landholder.

6. Appeals procedure.

 

I require a copy of any appeal procedure you follow, along with details of what factors you take into account; who is the judge or arbitrator and whether they are independent; whether you require oral or written submissions; whether it is governed by the Arbitration Act 1996 and any other relevant factors. In addition, please give me disclosure of any arguments you would put forward on this matter in any subsequent appeal process so that either the registered keeper or the driver might consider his or her response to any existing or new issues which are raised. 8. Your status.

 

Your Notice to Driver/Keeper (delete as appropriate) simply mentions [insert name of parking company if that is who is named on the NTD/NTK]. Please tell me who is the actual creditor making this £[insert amount] parking charge demand. I need to know exactly who is making the claim and in what capacity.

 

9. Ownership of premises.

 

Please tell me who owns the car park as I wish to send them a copy of this letter.

10. Contract to operate.

 

Please provide me with a copy of the contract between your company and the landowner/landholder.

11. Involvement of landowner/landholder.

 

Please explain any involvement, if at all, of the landowner/landholder with the management of parking at this site and specifically with regard to the issue and enforcement of your Notices to Driver/Keeper. (delete as appropriate)

12(a). Photographs- handling.

 

Your notice refers to ‘photographic evidence’. Please send me a copy of your procedures for handling and processing that evidence and the relevant audit trail. Furthermore, under section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 please send me a copy of all such photographs along with a copy of all other data you hold relating to me. As this would be required to be disclosed in any event as part of your evidence bundle in the small claims process, I do not expect to pay for the release of my personal data which you hold.

12(b). Photographs – evidence.

 

The copies of the photographs that you have provided along with the Parking Charge Notice merely show my vehicle entering and leaving the car park but do not show the actual alleged parking contravention on which your Parking Charge Notice has been issued. Please therefore provide me with copies of all photographs that evidence the actual alleged parking contravention itself

 

13. Signage.

 

If it is your case that a contract has been breached or that a contractual sum is now due, please send me photographs of the signs that you display and upon which you seek to

evidence that a lawful and legally enforceable contract was been entered into. Please ensure that the photographs show the terms and conditions in a clear and legible manner. Please provide me with a diagram showing the locations and layout of those signs at the car park. Also provide evidence that the wording is in plain and intelligible language and in sufficiently large print as to be legible to a driver at the car park’s entry point.

14. Legal representation.

Please provide me with the name and address of your solicitors, if any, in order that I may copy them into this correspondence.

15. To avoid doubt, please do not do any of the following:

(i) Send any further correspondence or documents to me or try to communicate with me in any way except to address in writing the specific points I have raised in this letter.

(ii) Send me any document purporting to be from the county court unless it is a valid claim form duly issued.

(iii) Write to me threatening to send bailiffs to my address without first issuing a court claim form and obtaining judgment.

(iv) Send me any standard letters from your company or debt collectors.

16. If you wish to make a claim you may do so online. My address for service is set out at the top of this letter. If you do decide to issue proceedings, please note that:

(i) I reserve the right to add further arguments to the defence

(ii) I or my representative will be happy to attend any court mediation that might be offered.

17. I look forward to receiving your acknowledgement within 14 days and a comprehensive reply within 35 days (in accordance with the BPA AOS Code of Practice B.22.8). I will then be able to make an informed decision as to how I shall respond to your Notice to Driver/Keeper (delete as appropriate).

18. If you reject this challenge or fail to address the issues that have been raised then, in accordance with the BPA AOS Code of Practice 22.12, please ensure that you enclose all the required information (including the necessary ‘POPLA code’) so that I may immediately refer the matter for their decision.

19. If you fail to follow any of the procedures outlined in the BPA AOS Code of Practice or your legal requirements under the Protection of Freedoms Act, or the requirements of the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct then I will make a formal complaint to the DVLA Data Sharing Policy Group, D16.

Please Note: Unless you have specifically requested it and received my express permission, you do not have my authority to disclose or refer this letter or any other communication from me to any other person or organisation.

Yours

[pazzer77]

Hi I'm having dealings with ANPR Ltd, since December 2012, I've ignored then sent letters back un opened etc, but they still send the begging letters, its prob cost them more in postage etc than the money they want off me!

[mallyc]

Hi there, I am also in the ignore stage of ANPR Ltd, I got my ticket late last year at the Cherry Tree Shopping Centre, I am assuming this is where your daughter received hers, just ignore them, they will send out letters from themselves as well as debt recovery agency's but hold firm and you will be fine. I have not heard anything for months now. take a look at my post on here:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?379640-PPC-Ticket-Cherry-Tree-Shoping-Centre-Wirral&p=4114728#post4114728

 

I Hope this helps you.

Edited July 28, 2013 by mallyc
taking my name off the bottom of post.

[renegadeimp]

Hi I live on the Wirral,Cheshire,

 

I'm sorry If it helps, i live right across the dee. If you stand anywhere on the seafront, you could probably see my house!

[mallyc]

I live in Moreton if that helps you.

[renegadeimp]

Yep. Right across the Dee!

 

Now back to the topic

 

Crodoc posted some excellent advice for you. remember, these companies are usually nothing more than a backstreet outfit, out to make a quick profit. If you come down on them hard and show that you know your stuff, then they usually run off with their tail between their legs. Some, like PE, will try and take you to court, but they always lose to a good defence.

 

Edit: I meant to aim my info at the OP, however, it can go to anyone with issues with them. As you said mally, they will just stop contact. Not even a sorry letter or a cancellation letter.

[BETTYBOO1954]

Hi, I've just joined this forum and not quite sure what I'm doing as it's first time I've ever done anything like this. Anyway, I've been reading all the comments on the site regarding ANPR Ltd. I received one of the Parking Charge Notices for 'trespassing' on a car park that is used by shoppers on a precinct. All shops were closed and I presumed, rightly or wrongly that as it was in the evening of a Saturday night, that I would be Ok to park there. There were a lot of other cars there too. The notice said we went to the pub at 6.30pm so someone must have been watching us. We were there for about an hour before going for a meal. I ramble...... The notice said we had to pay £100 (liquidated damages), reduced to £50 for early payment, because they had broken their contract with landowners which I assume is to prevent trespassers. Should I ignore this. We intend to go back to car park and look at sign to see what it says.

[citizenB]

BettyBoo has her own thread now..

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?398948-ANPR-Ltd-Parking-Charge-notice&p=4305784#post4305784