"parking charge notice"

[myhopper]

As above, received a letter from a private company who patrol a retail estate on their "clients private property"

 

"Reason: on roadway/pavement/grassed hatched or coloured area"

 

they state they want "£75 or reduced to £65 if paid within 7 days"

an extra £5 to pay by credit or debit card!

£10 for photographic evidence

 

on reading this site and elsewhere, ive decided its best not to appeal, ignore a few letters then throw bill of rights acts letter etc at them and anything i can to do with contractual law etc

 

i know when the car was at the retail park, it was when the wife ran into a store to get something while i waited in the car with my sleeping child in the carseat, probably about 5-7mins tops, and although not in a designated parking bay, i wasnt in a throughroad or anything like that, i think there may be double yellows, but didnt see any wardens, or told to move or anything like that, not that any of it matters, but would you still suggest i just keep ignoring the letters etc?

 

thanks

M

[dx100uk]

who from a PPC i take it

 

ignore!!

 

dx

[ManxRed]

Apart from the fact that the landowners have suffered no losses whatsoever, it also useful to know that painted lines on private land are legally meaningless.

[myhopper]

thanks for the info both!

 

i did reply dx but it errored!?

 

should i ignore forever or wait for certain letter before throwing bill of rights replies back?

 

(a friend of mine got a charge from the same company, ignored and bailiffs turned up at 6am, she gave them £300!!!! am i correct in saying she was very stupid? they had no rights and no court order so she should have closed the door in their faces?)

[myhopper]

and yes DX, it was a private compnay "new generation parking"

[Jamberson]

I'd be surprised if anyone on this site has ever advised someone to write and quote the Bill of Rights. It'd be a waste of a stamp.

 

Ignore is the only sensible course.

[ManxRed]

thanks for the info both!

(a friend of mine got a charge from the same company, ignored and bailiffs turned up at 6am, she gave them £300!!!! am i correct in saying she was very stupid? they had no rights and no court order so she should have closed the door in their faces?)

 

Bailiffs or Debt Collectors? They can't engage bailiffs until they take you to court, you lose, and then you still refuse to pay up. Debt collectors have no power whatsoever and she should have told them to sod off and get a warrant (see my previous sentence for how to get a warrant). Its unbelievably rare for a PPC to send a Debt Collector actually round to someone's house. They usually just pester you with letters and a few phone calls. Are you absolutely sure about this? It doesn't stack up.

[Jamberson]

the friend probably had a PCN from the council.

[myhopper]

the friend probably had a PCN from the council.

 

hmmmmm, sounds like the council then if that doesnt sound right, i will find out for closure anyway!

 

im not sure if this link is allowed, but i have a link to a place where the guy shows letter and replies etc, and he mentions all advice and stuff from here, whatastate.org.uk/car-parking-penalties

[Jamberson]

Classic council course of events. Totally unlike private companies.

 

The letters on that site merely support the ignore argument. You can spend time and effort carefully wording your responses, but all you get is more begging letters. What's the point in writing back?

[myhopper]

Classic council course of events. Totally unlike private companies.

 

The letters on that site merely support the ignore argument. You can spend time and effort carefully wording your responses, but all you get is more begging letters. What's the point in writing back?

 

yeah true, i'll just ignore forever unless i get a legal letter from the courts, which sounds like would never happen anyway

[Conniff]

a legal letter from the courts

 

If you get one of those make sure you come back here and show it, it's not unknown for some to send fake court papers or look-a-like papers which is unlawful.

[myhopper]

If you get one of those make sure you come back here and show it, it's not unknown for some to send fake court papers or look-a-like papers which is unlawful.

 

lol, really!? these companies will go to any lengths!

[Jamberson]

It's a confidence trick. They want you to believe you're for the high jump.

[myhopper]

well any more letters opr anything at all i'll post in here, even if repeats, will have the whole episode then!

[myhopper]

so i recieved another letter from the "new generation parking management", ignored that....

 

now today ive recieved a letter from "xxxxxx xxxx SOLICITORS"

the letter saying they are acting on behalf of NEW GENERATION PARKING AND THIER AGENT ROXBURGHE to requesting settlement of now £150 due to absense of payment or valid appeal, then it has a paragraph to contact them to confirm my proposals to avoid legal action in the county court.

 

then there is this line... "TAKE NOTE; the costs associated with issuing a claim and subsequent enforcement are as follows (these figure are for illistrative purposes only and would only apply in the event of legal action being taken);

claim issue fee £30

solicitor fee for issuing claim £50

judgement costs £25

warrant issue fee £100

solicitor fee for issuing warrant £2.25

TOTAL ADDITIONAL COSTS £207.25

 

you should note any judgement registered against you could seriously affect your chances of obtaining credit in futureand can be available to any interested parties via the judghment, orders and fines register and will remain there for 6yrs"

 

"PLEASE CONTACT ROXBURGHE ON RECIEPT OF THIS LETTER"

 

 

.....surely it would be to contact the "solicitors"??

plus all the "illistrative purposes" and "could" threats seem more like what ive been warned about with scare tactics, but obviously i was a bit shocked to see solicitors letter involved, should i still ignore until/if i get anything that says go to court? and what do i do if i do have a summons?

 

cheers

M

[theratboy]

Graham White then. Keep ignoring and next you will recieve the final warning letter which i am busy ignoring at the moment. All full of bull and irrelevent bits of info designed to scare people who don't know better. I'm not convinced my final warning will be the final one but at some point the may actually realise that i'm neither playing or paying and they will have to move on to an easier target.

[Conniff]

Ok, lets say this again. This is contract law and the claim is for a breach of contract. In breaches of contract you can claim damages and have to submit that claim for damages based on a good estimate of losses.

Now if a claim is for £50 that would be a good estimate of losses (even though there are none, but bare with me), now if £50 is a good estimate, then it can't suddenly increase to £100 and then £150 and then £200 as the courts have picked up on.

 

They have actually been asked in court, when one of the very few they think wont be defended gets to court, 'how come the claim for damages keeps increasing', one they couldn't answer and the court threw it out as a penalty charge which is not allowed.

 

So you can see why the advice is always to ignore unless you get a 'genuine' court summons. If you get a summons then you will vigorously defend and they will loose as they cannot claim more in damages that they have made in losses which is usually nothing.

 

It's all a big game with them, a con trick that don't stand up in court.

[myhopper]

yep graham white, thanks for the reassurance all, i was a bit stoked seeing solicitor at the top, my mrs has always worried with the parking letters, but i continually reapeat whats been said here, she just saw the lteer and laughed out loud!! noticed the phone number only 2 digits different, poor quality header, and not even signed but photocopied, so im happy about that lol, but yeah, will continue to ignore unless an official legal document arrives

 

thanks again, and will update as and when etc

[Guest]

As everyone else has said, they are incredibly shady. Even "Graham White" is a fake name - it's a person called Michael Sobell. I've had hundreds of letters from them over the years, all ending up with sweet FA. Ignore until they give up. No official document will arrive. They will try and quote some ludicrous "law" to you about acting as an agent, but it's all 100% [naughty word].

 

Weirdbeard

[crem]

then there is this line... "TAKE NOTE; the costs associated with issuing a claim and subsequent enforcement are as follows (these figure are for illistrative purposes only and would only apply in the event of legal action being taken);

claim issue fee £30

solicitor fee for issuing claim £50

judgement costs £25

warrant issue fee £100

solicitor fee for issuing warrant £2.25

TOTAL ADDITIONAL COSTS £207.25

 

humm I may be wrong, but;

 

a) I don't need an "illustration" and

b) I would have thought these charges only apply if they WIN at court, and not just coz they "take legal action"

[myhopper]

new letter today

 

another from graham white...

 

standout funny thing was "final opportunity to pay the amount due or provide me with the information as to who was driving the car at the time of the event if you were not the driver"

 

so they are trying to get me to respond to even say it was not me now!

 

it goes on to say if i dont give them payment or details of who was driving in 14 days they will file an "application to the court under 'civil procedural rules 31.16 - disclosure before proceedings start"

 

then some stuff about if i dont contact etc i would be likely to be deemed the person driving as im registered keeper anyway

 

 

i take it no such court application will even be made? and if so would go any further anyway? or just wont happen regardless?

[DBC]

They forget to mention that "'civil procedural rules 31.16 " do not apply to the small claims court.

[myhopper]

lol, they even supplied an extract of the rules, number 3, going from a to d but not showing b or c, so it shows a as likely to be my fault, and d as dispute to be resolved without proceeding or save cash!

 

final warning though, so expecting a few more "fianl" ones, until they give up

[theratboy]

I'm a month ahead of you as i received my final warning a month ago. Same bull letter as you have now received. I have been busy ignoring that one also and nothing else to report to date but will keep you informed should the $cam artists not have worked it out that they are getting nowt.