3 points for cyclists area at front of traffic lights

[StuzaTheGreat]

Hey guys

 

just done a Bikesafe (Motorcycle course with Met Police). Just a warning as they asked us to make as many people aware as possible:

 

The cycle/pushbike green areas at the front of traffic lights are having camera's with ANPR put on them. If you put a wheel in this area and you are not a push bike, expect 3 points through the post.

 

 

EDIT:

 

People seem to think this is a complaint blah blah blah post, its not. So to clarify (from post 5)

 

"This it to point out that ANPR cameras are now starting to be placed on them, not if its moraly right or wrong to do so. This is nothing more than a BE AWARE post."

Edited August 25, 2010 by StuzaTheGreat

[Mrs E Blackadder]

Is this just for the London area or is it countrywide?

[StuzaTheGreat]

trialling the first couple in London at the moment but the copper fully expected them to be rolled out country wide eventually.

[wheelergeezer]

You can and always have been in a position where you can be prosecuted for failing to stop at a red signal if you cross the 1st white line into the cyclists area whilst waiting for a green signal.

 

There are always two solid white lines with the cyclist area between at this type of junction. If you cross the first white line and the stop before the second, you have technically failed to stop at the red signal because 'stop means before the solid white line'. Not, 'stop before the second solid white line'.

[StuzaTheGreat]

... and?

 

This it to point out that ANPR cameras are now starting to be placed on them, not if its moraly right or wrong to do so. This is nothing more than a BE AWARE post.

 

On a side note, he did also say that there is one in London that is being trialled that allows motorbikes to share the front space...

[ForestChav]

It's already illegal.

 

Highway Code 178Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.

[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)]

[PriorityOne]

Crikey... I do this all the time!!! (hangs head in shame)....

 

Thanks for the heads up.... won't do it anymore

[StuzaTheGreat]

No worries. Many of us motorcyclists do do this as well! Haven't since BikeSafe....

[wheelergeezer]

It didn't think it was a complaint and did understand your post. I was simply pointing out what they will charge you with.

[Zamzara]

Presumably the cameras are correctly set up only to catch people who cross the first line on red, not merely people who correctly stop at the second line having crossed the first on green or amber? (As in post #6)

[StuzaTheGreat]

i would think that even in traffic you are to leave these boxes empty so if thats the case, no excuse....?

[ForestChav]

Presumably the cameras are correctly set up only to catch people who cross the first line on red, not merely people who correctly stop at the second line having crossed the first on green or amber? (As in post #6)

I'm sure if they did use the cameras to catch people for that, they would win on appeal based on what the highway code says (provided the relevant law says the same thing).

[StuzaTheGreat]

Ohh ... is there a "get out of jail" for that then?

[ForestChav]

Ohh ... is there a "get out of jail" for that then?

No, the highway code says you are permitted to enter it and stop in it is if you have crossed the first line on green and before you have had chance to cross the second line - in which case you have to stop in it. If that is the case, then no contravention would occur - indeed, depending on the rest of the junction you'd hypothetically contravene a box junction law (if one was present, and you stopped in it illegally) or a red light if you went through (the second on red, that is).

[papasmurf1cx]

More evidence of a war on the motorist. The more they attack us I feel that this country is finished.

[ForestChav]

Isn't it simply enforcing a law which already exists?

[StuzaTheGreat]

Yes, just like speed cameras ;-) ....

 

/runs away quickly! Ducking for cover hehehe

 

edit: ahh hell, im a nerd... its been a long week people and i've got another 3 days at work to go!

[ForestChav]

I don't disagree with speed cameras - if you break the law why should you expect to get away with it? What I do dislike is those sited on a daftly low limit where that speed is safe simply to make money but they're simple to avoid - go another way or stick within the limit.

[green_and_mean]

It does make me laugh that the majority of people that think the Police should stop picking on drivers and catch 'real' criminals are the same people that object to camera enforcement. Surely its better to have a camera to enforce this offence than tie up a Police officer who could be dealing with more serious offences.

[StuzaTheGreat]

G&M, isn't it nice in such a black and white world?

 

Having recently been riding with an on duty senior traffic officer with the Met police I can assure you that he disliked speed cameras as much as many of us do and could not justify most of them. Remember, this is the same person who goes to MANY fatal RTA's, investigates them and then has to tell relatives. If any one should be in favour of them he should, but he's not, doesn't that tell you something?

[mightymouse_69]

doesn't that tell you something?

 

Only that police officers are human and as such have opinions towards things.

[qa19]

3 points? wow. Big Brother is REALLY watching you!!

[JonCris]

It's already illegal.

 

Highway Code 178Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.

[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)]

 

In that case they can't or shouldn't give you a ticket cos if they do they have to be able to establish that the lights didn't change to amber or red just BEFORE you entered the cycle area

[dragonkeeper]

:?

 

 

 

I don't disagree with speed cameras - if you break the law why should you expect to get away with it? What I do dislike is those sited on a daftly low limit where that speed is safe simply to make money but they're simple to avoid - go another way or stick within the limit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet you have posted in other threads on "how not to pay" after you have broke the law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dk

[sameagle]

If the red light illuminates after you have passed the first line, you would have to be going veeery slowly indeed to stop before the second line.

If I am at that point at traffic lights, I'm generally looking into the junction, for those colour blind, and those registered blind drivers, that are groping their way through long after the "other" lights have changed!

 

Sam