BEWARE the PM'ing DCA's

[babybear39]

Not yet ODC, I'll go have a look now...Thanks for letting me know

[noomill060]

No, didnt hear about that- tell us more!

[Goldlady]

Come on, spill the beans.

[emmaf01]

And what on earth did a judge say when a DCA produced printed off bits of the CAG forum in court?

[Spiceskull]

Not just DCA's - I think it is now any company/representative that has been issued a letter from a CAGger.

 

For my own part, having posted a letter to Skillstrain, ad verbatim on forum, I received a letter from the legal team, identifying me personally (due to my letter) and threatening all sorts of reprisals.

 

This is something I can deal with, but I understand how it could be scarey and unsettling for a first time CAGger, especially when done via the 'secrecy' of PM. If in doubt, give away nothing, and check with admin/mods on the genuine nature of anyone you suspect to be fishing by PM...

[Spiceskull]

And what on earth did a judge say when a DCA produced printed off bits of the CAG forum in court?

LOL - that is exactly what I am hoping will happen in a couple of weeks...

[andrew1]

And what on earth did a judge say when a DCA produced printed off bits of the CAG forum in court?

 

I posted this elsewhere on the forum, but it doesn't hurt to show it.

 

It read:

 

" You also mentioned the DCA's quoting from CAG posts, let me tell you of one situation that happened to one of the Fan Club. The solicitors took him/her to court over an alleged debt which was being defended. The Fan Clubber presented the court with a very precise and professional looking defence document which the judge commented on. The solicitor for the DCA pulled out a copy which had been posted on CAG and told the judge that the defendant hadn't got a clue as the defence had been copied off the internet which had been posted on CAG by XXXX (username). To the judges amusement the defendant then claimed " your honour, I AM -XXXX !!and I created the document and posted it"

 

Needless to say the Judge sent the solicitor running tail firmly between his legs, awarded costs against the DCA and closed the case!

 

So they do read these, even the solicitors. A warning to everyone.

[dannyboy660]

To the judges amusement the defendant then claimed " your honour, I AM -XXXX !!and I created the document and posted it"

 

Needless to say the Judge sent the solicitor running tail firmly between his legs, awarded costs against the DCA and closed the case!

 

 

I love it!!!

 

I think the 'old sweats' here have long known the scavengers do read these threads, although I can't see how it really does them a lot of good. Most DCA's and purchasers are dealing with thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of accounts that have been electronically transferred at any one time, and the chances of positively identifying a CAGger and linking them to an account they may have on file must be incredibly miniscule. Hardly worth wasting the time.

 

I suppose it's a way to measure how effective their latest [problem] has been though......

[fuzzybobble]

I've never had a DCA employee send me a PM. wish they would, but if they had read some of my posts/threads, then I think they'd be way to scared.

 

If they produced a printout off here in court (not that any of them have dared to go that far with me.) No doubt the judge would notice my gingerbread man avatar and admit that he like dressing up too. Just to comfirm this I would show him my photo keyring showing this photo.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your honour I rest my case. By the way I earn £200 an hour, can I now claim costs against Moorcroft now?

[emmaf01]

If anyone could post a photo of the DCA solicitor's face when someone outs himself as the author of a particularly good defense document on CAG... I'd pay.

 

It just shows how stupid they think people are... stupid enough to believe their lies.

 

Oh I do hope they MAY be reading this.

[ODC]

If anyone could post a photo of the DCA solicitor's face when someone outs himself as the author of a particularly good defense document on CAG... I'd pay.

 

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Here you go

 

and one of the cagger

 

Edited August 20, 2008 by MARTIN3030

[emmaf01]

I'm so glad my child just got to see that one.... and just before bed too.

 

You can get up in the night then, ODC:rolleyes:...

[noomill060]

a bit harsh...

[cymruambyth]

It could be that Caggers can be identified because they are the ones that don't lie down and accept all the #%$~ that gets thrown at them by DCAs. Yes they do read and work out who is posting because I commented on some illegal actions and they were recinded before I could take further actions!!!

PS fuzzy do you do party appearances?

[MARTIN3030]

ODC-am suprised at you-you should know better !!!

 

Very bad taste.

[babybear39]

They do read and identify us as my thread here shows. Then they use it against us in the nastiest way possible:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/92556-help-again-please-1st.html

[dannyboy660]

Hi BB,

 

Did you post personal docs ??

 

I'm baffled as to why people think they can ID anyone just because they have posted on this site.

 

It would mean nothing in court, as a post under a name such as 'dannyboy660' could have been posted by absolutely anyone. Only CAG themselves will know the IP address from whence the post came, and even then it doesn't prove who posted, just which computer it came from. That's the main reason why most publicly accessed computers require some form of ID from the user, or G*ry Gli***rs local library would be in court every week!!

 

I think the idea the DCA's are looking over your shoulder reading your posts on CAG and basing court cases on anonymous threads is a bit bizarre and bordering on paranoia. Surely the only hope of a 100% positive ID is if you post identifiable documents.

 

The 'Financial Services' industry have openly admitted that only about 5% of the cases they deal with are suitable for litigation, so if you've been ID'd and then taken to court on the basis of what goes on here, then you have been incredibly unlucky indeed!!!

 

The best thing is to just remain anon., not to publicly post personal docs, and don't give out too much personal info. Throw in a 'Red Herring' every once in while if you want to be extra cautious. ;-)

[andrew1]

Throw in a 'Red Herring' every once in while if you want to be extra cautious. ;-)

 

Perish the thought Dannyboy, perish the thought! :D

 

 

Sarah

[MARTIN3030]

Agree,There have been some cases where there have been particular interest shown to threads.I remember quite a few mainly with Banks looking to see strats as we sought to overcome new hurdles.The most famous one that comes to mind was Lickthewallfatboy and his Citi case-Citi were desperate to remain one step ahead...

We do know that there have been posters here from all sectors at some time or other.Now and again there are needs to keep things quiet while they are ongoing-its part of the gameplan for both sides.

I remember going to Court and the Solicitor admitted that she spent lots of time reading CAG forums-and had even been told off about it.She went on to say CAG was a talking point in the office.

 

Another famous one was Keith Jeremiah who was a senior Barclays lawyer in the early claims days...he remarked to one Cag user that when he came out of his house in the mornings-he sometimes expected Caggers to jump out of the bushes ..he reckoned he knew all about our advice and said much of it was good.

Edited August 20, 2008 by MARTIN3030

[noomill060]

I bet we are!

[emmaf01]

Well I don't lurk in the bushes... often.

 

I am very interested in the "opposition" watching the forums. After all they might learn something, like how they are supposed to do business.

 

Fascinating.

[babybear39]

DB I posted certain e-mails in good faith and got abused by them for it by phone after they'd confirmed my number had been removed from thier systems...

[noomill060]

We have 2 guests on this thread- I wonder who they could be...

 

 

Hello there!

[noomill060]

Down to 1 now.

[noomill060]

Close the door on the way out, wont you?

 

Pondlife.