Lets ask Chief constables their Baliff policies.

[MARTIN3030]

Ok back to some sensible debate.

The suggestion made about getting a policy statement from Chief Constables is a good one.The aim of CAG as with other sites that draw people together as one to fight injustices,is to have a level playing field that acts within the rules.Where the rules are unclear or not being observed then its people power to try and get some determination.Instead of talking about it and doing nothing.....lets write to all the Chief Constables.In fact I suggest writing to their trade association too ACPO.

A temp letter is no problem I am sure ...........

So who is interested ?

I am prepared to give some time to it,because there has been some intersting and valid points made.

[The Watcher]

.....lets write to all the Chief Constables.In fact I suggest writing to their trade association too ACPO.

A temp letter is no problem I am sure ...........

So who is interested ?

I am prepared to give some time to it,because there has been some intersting and valid points made.

 

Count me in.

[MARTIN3030]

Good.I am in the North West so dont mind doing Greater Manchester Lancashire Merseyside Cheshire and Cumbria.

I had a quick look on ACPO website but did not see anything specific although theres lots of stuff about everything else.

This should be a collective thing so has anyone thoughts on specifics that should be included in the temp letter ?

Also maybe I should start a new thread for this so that progress can be followed without getting lost with other discussion ?

[The Watcher]

I'll do adjoining areas - South Yorkshire / Derbyshire / Nottinghamshire.

[MARTIN3030]

By the way....there are 39 in England and 4 in Wales

 

full list here ;List of police forces in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[The Watcher]

I could do a few more ... but feel we should have as many people as possible involved, after all, a Chief Constable from (say) Essex will take far more notice of someone from Essex that he will from someone at the other end of the Country !

[chris600uk]

Starting a new thread is probably a good idea, and it'll make it easier for others to find the letter once it's been created.

[MARTIN3030]

Ok thread here.......I will move the other posts that are relevant.

[tonycee]

Im happy to do the Thames Valley area.

 

I spend most of my Saturday nights with them anyway (joke)

[The Watcher]

This should be a collective thing so has anyone thoughts on specifics that should be included in the temp letter ?

 

We should start by asking if they have any specific bailiff policy (to see where they initially stand) and point to the Devon & Cornwall police policy document, to show that some forces are taking the matter seriously.

 

We should try and find out how their current policies differ, as when the information is collated it could make a very good press release (for the media) to show the vastly different attitudes in different areas (and any publicity will be good for the cause generally).

[patrickq1]

hi martin would this be in reference to DCAs acting in an unapropiate manner and not observing the laws laid down before them,or would it first involve asking the cheif constables for their qualified advice regarding the unlawful activities concerning DCAs then we could have a format for the CHEIF CONSTABLES opinions and for them to come up with a collective and reliable letter to pass to any DCA who thought they were above the law

just a thought

patrickq1

ps. it is a good idea simmallar to the cheif constables letter on the ballifs code of practice

[MARTIN3030]

hi Patrick-Dcas are different to Baliffs in that they have no real powers in the same ways that Baliffs have.

There is already a lot of protection for victims and apart from using The Administration of Justice Act for harrassment cases its very rare that Police are involved with issues between DCAs and Debtors.Oft guidelines on debt collection provide a magnitude of protective steps that are favourable to use against DCAs who flout the rules.There is already a stickie in one of the debt forums which is being worked on to issue a mass complaint...have a look at this.

 

Also I should point out that our communications to the Police will be specifically to try and get clarification as to their policies in dealing with Baliff/Client issues as opposed to Baliff codes of practice many of which are regulated by their own trade bodies/trade associations.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/58086-mass-complaint-add-your.html

[Lula]

I could do Herts and Beds Martin, if that is any help

[rambo]

Hi, I could do the met.

How about a template letter?.

[MARTIN3030]

I could do Herts and Beds Martin, if that is any help

 

 

Yes Lula great.

[MARTIN3030]

Hi, I could do the met.

How about a template letter?.

 

Thanks Rambo yes thats good.

The temp letter can be sorted once we have enough interest from people to take on the remaining force areas.Good response so far.We will only have one shot at this so the temp letter will need to be drafted to cover the points that we want answers to and that we will be able to move forward on.

Maybe a good idea to do an update showing the force areas covered and those we need people to help out with.Will try and do this tonight.

[MARTIN3030]

So far we have;

 

 

Avon and Somerset Constabulary

Bedfordshire Police Lula

Cambridgeshire Constabulary Harathoi

Cheshire Constabulary Martin3030

City of London Police sillygirl1

Cleveland Police

Cumbria Constabulary Martin3030 (provisional)

Derbyshire Constabulary The Watcher

Devon and Cornwall Constabulary Information already at hand.

Dorset Police

Durham Constabulary Yellow160

Essex Police Tau

Gloucestershire Constabulary

Greater Manchester Police Martin3030 (Provisional)

Hampshire Constabulary Tonycee (provisional)

Hertfordshire Constabulary Lula

Humberside Police

Kent Police

Lancashire Constabulary Martin3030

Leicestershire Constabulary

Lincolnshire Police ted45

Merseyside Police Martin3030

Metropolitan Police Rambo

Norfolk Constabulary

Northamptonshire Police

Northumbria Police NORTHERNGUY

North Yorkshire Police

Nottinghamshire Police The Watcher

South Yorkshire Police The Watcher

Staffordshire Police GodI'mfedup

Suffolk Constabulary

Surrey Police sillygirl1

Sussex Police robin9342

Thames Valley Police Tonycee

Warwickshire Police

West Mercia Constabulary

West Midlands Police mansell05

West Yorkshire Police

Wiltshire Constabulary Tonycee (Provisional)

 

Wales; Welshnutteruk (all 4)

 

Dyfed-Powys Police (Heddlu Dyfed Powys) - Dyfed and Powys

Gwent Police (Heddlu Gwent) - Gwent

North Wales Police (Heddlu Gogledd Cymru) - Gwynedd and Clwyd

South Wales Police (Heddlu De Cymru) - South Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan and West Glamorgan

 

 

Provisional= Member has agreed to take in the event of no other user offering.

[Tau]

I'll have a go with the Essex area.

[tonycee]

Put me on standby for, Hampshire, Surrey, and Wiltshire.

I would like to see as many people involved as possible though.

[MARTIN3030]

Yes me too.....I have taken 5 but would be happy to do 1

[sillygirl1]

I'm in Surrey so can do that if Tonycee wants.... and maybe the City of London as I work around there... (currently working in Lambeth)

[MARTIN3030]

done.

[robin9342]

I can do Sussex.

[chris600uk]

If it doesn't matter where we write from I'll do a few, don't care which ones they are.

[Janet-M]

Don't bite my head off for going off topic for a minute and please feel free to move my post Martin

 

After seeing this thread I was talking ( unofficially ) to a police seargent tonight and I asked him what happens if a Baliff phoned asking for assistance . as in what checks the police make to make sure he is certified .. if the debt is in dispute etc etc ... I was not suprised to be told no checks are made .. if the police get a call to assist they will just go and assist .I explained about the powers baliffs have and about debts being indispute etc and was told that the police would not be interested in any of that .

 

So I can't wait to see what official replies you get