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Hi All, My wife has not been very well at all and I did not progress this as I would have liked too. The alleged debt was passed to Wescott who backed off when I sent them through correspondence I had sent to Abbey advising them that it was in dispute. Now LINK are on our backs saying they have bought the debt and they want full payment. I am trying to find anything that states that Abbey cannot sell the debt as it is in dispute. Cant find anything on OFT site or banking code. Can anyone provide links and/or advice ? The stress this is now causing firstly is making my wife worse and is now making me feel ill.

Id send them the £10 payment baqck with the SAR Template thats on here...thats your official request and they have to adhere to it (mind you I sent mine off in April and they only just sent my statements) !! DONT let them bully you...STICK to your timetable...and get your money back !!

Lo and behold - yesterday we FINALLY received the statements that we had requested back in April. The DCA also rang yesterday and I told them that we had advised in writing and verbally that the account was in dispute. They said that the Abbey had passed the debt onto them and they want payment. So I rang the Abbey and they said that yes they had passed the debt to the DCA and that I should deal with them. I told them that it was in dispute and they said that the debt is dealt with by DCA and dispute is dealt with by them. Is there any law / code that says they cannot pass to a DCA if account is in dispute ? I have looked at Banking Code but cant see anything specific to quote back to Abbey and the DCA. Should I say to DCA I will pay them £5 per week ?

Hi all, Have not been well recently so havent been able to chase this as I would have liked. Story now is that even though our account is in dispute (we have advised them of that fact in writing on more than one occassion) - and the fact that we STILL have received no further statements as per our SAR - and the fact that the ICO wrote back to us saying that they felt Abbey's system IS a Relevant Filing System and that they were going to advise Abbey of that fact... received a phone call today from DM Management (Debt Collection agency for Abbey) asking how we were going to pay back the arrears....the Abbey have passed our account to them...can they do this ??

Hi Karnevil...no Im just at the moment going for the throat on the refund...but they have ****ed us off so much...especially as we got a letter over weekend from Alan Betts threatening Default Notice that I reposnded to say enough is enough I have eneterd complaint with IC and now taking to court.....will then hit them with non compliance and then will hit them with ALL OTHER CHARGES.

Received letter threatening Default Notice on wife's credit card so now sending SAR and advising IN DISPUTE.

Just received an offer to repay £128 of fees "which reduces each fee to £12 as the OFT has suggested". The letter also goes on to say "Our fees are in line blah blah blah.... And, as you know the OFT has suggested default fees of £12 are likely to be fair. We disagree with their analysis and believe that our current fees are both fair and legal. So, we wont refund all the fees we've charged you as you've asked. I'm afraid we won't give you a full breakdown of our costs to reassure you they're fair. We're continuing with the OFT at the moment to resolve their issues". Is their a default polite reponse letter I can send them rejecting their offer ?

Thanks Alan, agree that it would give full picture and provide more weight... may need someone to read it through before I put on N1 form though.

good catch !! I will amend... also as update have recieved following email from Abbey and have crafted a reponse...what do you think ?? Hello Jamloo, Thanks for your e-mail. Your comments have been passed to my colleague who works in the relevant business area. They will reply to you in full as soon as possible. You can find out more about our complaints procedure, by clicking on the following link: http://www.abbey.com/customer_satisfaction.htm Kind regards Jenny Venters Abbey Customer Services To help us improve our services we may record or monitor telephone calls. Jenny, Replying to us in full as soon as possible IS NOT ACCEPTABLE We have given the Abbey 113 days to date to provide us with copy statements on a 40 day deadline as per our DPA request. YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO SO AND ARE THEREFORE IN BREACH OF THE DPA REQUEST. We are therefore writing now to the Information Commissioner to complain about the service that the Abbey provide. If you give us a deadline, you expect us to adhere to that deadline, otherwise you penalise us and therefore we expect the same regard. Therefore as you are 73 days late, we will now be taking this matter through the legal process. By your consistent failure to adhere to deadlines set, we propose to send the following N1 to our local County Court by Friday 28th July 2006: PARTICULARS OF CLAIM 1. The Defendant is a Data Controller within the meaning of the Data Protection Act and is responsible for the processing of data of which the Claimant is a Subject. 2. The Claimant has an account number xxxxxxxxx ("the Account") with the Defendant which was opened in 2003. 3. On the 3rd April 2006, the Claimant sent a Subject Access Request, pursuant to Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to the Defendant. 4. The Defendant has failed to comply in full and has limited their reply to the provision of statements for the period 18th February 2005 to 18th March 2006. 5. By virtue of the Defendant's failure to comply with the Subject Access Request the Claimant has suffered damage. 6. The Claimant seeks an order that the Defendant do comply with the Claimant's Subject Access Request 8. Under the terms of Section 15(2) of the Data Protection Act 1998, where the Defendant contests that information requested under the Claimant's Subject Access Request is not included within the scope of Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998, the Claimant requests that the Court inspects that information, and where it finds that the Defendant's opinion is unfounded, that it orders such information be included within the information supplied to the Claimant under the Subject Access Request. 9. Damages and costs within the discretion of the Court. I believe that the contents of these particulars of claim are true Signed: Date: For your information, we are also now preparing our N1 to file at County Court for the amount of £4,597.00 which you have penalised us due to your unfair penalty charges. The above N1 for DPA Non Compliance as well as the N1 for the amount of £4,597.00 which you have penalised us due to your unfair penalty charges will be filed at our local County Court unless we receive acknowledgment in writing that you will give us full recompense for the amount of £4,597.00 by close of play Friday 28th July 2006. Yours Sincerely Jamloo

CHeers karne...thats the route we were going to follow !! BTW - Email has already been sent to Abbey as per earlier post and letter going out tomorrow after great advice from Alan

Cheers Michael...so I am looking at hitting them with TWO seperate court attendances...one for DPA Non compliance and one for original claim

Karnevil - Looks good....too be honest...in the months we are missing I expect minimal charges... I would be quitew happy for Abbey to hand me cheque for £4.5 K and say thats it....clears our OD and gives us a bit........... The I can hit them with the £1000 charges they have SINCE put on !!!

Karnmevil - Mmm... how would I fill that all in on the N1 ie the part about non compliance to Data Protection Act request which we are completing now ready to go to the court ? The charges I am requesting payment for are KNOWN charges on the statements I have

Can one of the Mods comment on email and letter we are planning on sending Abbey National PLC FAO Lesley Budge Customer Resolution Manager Complaints PO Box 5129 Milton Keynes MK9 2YN Dear Ms Budge, ACCOUNT NUMBER: XXXXXXXXXXXXX YOUR REFERENCE: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX We are in receipt of your letter dated 5th July. You state that “Abbey is up front and transparent about all its banking charges as set out in the tariff of charges”. Can you advise, if the Abbey is up front and transparent, why we have still only received a partial response to our Data Protection Disclosure Request dated 3rd April 2006. In our letter dated 30th May 2006, we advised you that : You have failed to provide a complete list of transactions and charges. You have provided us with Account Statements for the period 18th February 2005 to 18th March 2006 only. Our original request dated 3rd April 2006 stated: “Please supply us with a complete list of transactions and charges relating to our bank account since the opening of our Current Account.” You have provided no notes, or documents relating to instances of any form of manual intervention. You state that “I note your request for duplicate statements for your account from 2003, I can confirm these have been requested for you, however these can take up to four weeks to be produced. I hope you have now received these documents”. Can you therefore advise the EXACT date that these were requested as to date – 111 days after we first requested them – we have still only received a partial response as described in Point 1 above. You have therefore failed to comply with our Data Protection Disclosure Request and this fact will be stated when we take this case to Court. You state that “Most banking transactions are automated, but when there are insufficient funds in an account, a specific team must manually process the payment. Processing unauthorised transactions is costly and our charges will reflect the administration involved in handling each transaction. Can you therefore detail for me the exact procedures and processes that Abbey has defined in order to explain at what point the automation flags the fact that there are insufficient funds in an account ; who the specific team are that then manually process the payment and a breakdown of the charges that they would apply for each transaction. This is information that we requested in our letter dated 30th May 2005 where we requested notes or documents relating to instances of any form of manual intervention. We therefore inform you that having gone through a period of dialogue with you where by we have given every opportunity for you to respond and to repay the unfair charges that you have applied to our account, we will be now be taking this matter to the Courts. Yours faithfully, Jamloo