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Thanks for updating Cheeky.

I'm sure it'll help others to see that no action is ongoing.

On 26/05/2024 at 21:20, BankFodder said:

Abandon The claim and start a new thread and this time do it properly and stick to it

BF's already addressed this jk.

15 hours ago, Ossie2408 said:

He is now refusing to tell me where the car is and refusing me access to collect it

15 hours ago, Ossie2408 said:

Police say its a civil debt and not a criminal offence.

Sounds like theft to me, which is a criminal offence.

Why not go back to the police and report the vehicle as stolen?

Too much in your defence.

Follow Dave's instructions about two posts up to find our standard bland defence.

And you'll probably get a few more "final notifications" as well...

Topic Title updated.

Well done for hanging in there bunny!

Thanks for the donation. It'll help make sure we're around to help others. 

Maybe post a draft up here for the team to take a quick looksee before you send it?

Dave,

You're probably thinking along the same lines as me.

The NTK says "The reason for issuing the charge notice is: Parking longer than allowed"

From memory, I think one of their stupid rules is that if 'Bucks is closed, you're not allowed to park at all.

Not sure about this, but as I understand it, when a court claim is issued, a validation check of some type is done on the defendant's address?

If the address is outside jurisdiction, then a claim can't even be set up?

Also, just for possible future reference,  go and see what other "photographic evidence" they have, and download it.

I would strongly discourage Intrepid from sharing any personal information. Users of the forum know absolutely nothing about each other.

Seldom Seen is a very recent registered user, who appears to be reluctant to start a thread. That's fine if they want to use info from other threads to go it alone it alone, but they should certainly not be approaching other users.

The forum relies on input from users to function, but Seldom Seen, seems not to want to contribute in any way.

Congratulations on your well deserved victory ✌ 

I expect DX will be along presently with instructions to acknowledge.

In the meantime could you please follow the instructions in this sticky...

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/391121-have-you-received-a-private-parking-ticket/#comment-4683610

Thanks.

From their website.

https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/faq.aspx?p=terms-and-conditions#consumer-customers

12. Effects of cancellation / withdrawal

If you cancel your purchase in the timeframes outlined in section 10 (Your right to change your mind after shipment) above you will receive a full refund including the costs of delivery (where applicable) within 14 days from the date of cancellation, except as set out below. We will provide the refund using the same means of payment as you used for the initial transaction, unless you have expressly agreed otherwise.

Was it a change of mind, or faulty return?

OK,

In post 10, I've highlighted 3 sections in red as suggestions for removal.

Do we reckon this is enough to give them a clue, without giving them the whole gameplay?

How long ago did you buy the car and how did you pay for it?

Here's a suggested modified version for consideration by the team.

(Not sure whether it still gives too much away?)

RE: PCN 4xxxxx

Dear ALLIANCE PARKING Litigation Dept,

Thank you for your dubious Letter Of Claim (dated 29th April 2024) of £100 for just 2 minutes of overstay. The family rolled around on the floor in amazement of the idea you actually think they’d accept this nonsense, let alone being confused over the extra unlawful £70 you added. Shall we raise the related VAT issue with HMRC, or perhaps the custodians of the unicorn grain silos?

Apart from the serious GDPR breach you’ve made with the DVLA and your complete failure in identifying the driver, we’re dumbfounded that the PCN is still not compliant with the PoFA (2012 Schedule 4 Under Section 9.2.f) even after 12 years of pathetic trial and error.

We also doubt a judge would be very impressed at your bone idleness and lack of due diligence regarding parking periods. Especially with no consideration of section 13 in your own trade association's code of practice and the topological nature of the Cornish landscape versus a traditional multi-storey.

And don’t even get us started on the invisible signage during the ultra busy bank holiday carnage, that is otherwise known as the random parking chaos in the several unmarked, unmanaged over-spill fields, or indeed the tedious “frustration of contract” attempting to get a data connection to Justpark. 

We suggest your clients drop this extreme foolishness or get an absolute hammering in court. We are more than ready to raise the above issues and more, with a fair minded judge, who will most likely laugh your clients out in less time than it takes to capture a couple of useless ANPR photos.

If you insist on continuing this stupid, money grabbing quest, after having all of the above pointed out, we will of course show this letter to the Judge and request “an unreasonable costs order” under CPR 27.14.2.g and put it toward future taxis to Harlyn Bay instead. 

We all look forward to your clients' deafening silence.

Signed, "Spot". (Vehicle Keeper's pet Dalmation).

Also,

because she's utimately in the frame for this, you should really get your friend to sign up and involve herself in this thread.

Hi Jas and welcome to CAG.

Well done for reading up around the forum. Shame you didn't come here before appealing.

Still, we are where we are.

35 minutes ago, jasowter said:

get out the car park took 15 minutes...5 minutes overstay past the 10minutes grace.

You also have 5 minutes "consideration" time, so no overstay at all.

You've already found out the hard way that these PPC's are the lowest of the low and just want your £££'s.

As long as you've only got demands and final demands so far you're ok. (You'll probably get a few more!)

If / when you get a letter of claim is the time to take action. (Snotty letter if you've been reading up on here.)

Anyway, when your son is available, upload all the missives you've got so far and a copy of your appeal and their rejection.

Is this the place?

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4431645,0.3643912,3a,75y,228.26h,88.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssgS-tS92m3P_6STVzH4yqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of signage. (The view is from 2022)

Any chance of getting some up to date readable pics of their signage next time your friend is out and about?

Wait and see what the other regulars say, but from memory, the terms for agreed parking restrictions have been listed in "schedules" before.

So, by my count there are 13 fully redacted pages?!!

6, 9-16, 21-23 and 25.

RIDICULOUS...

Please upload the contract. It may only be useful as hamster bedding.

After seeing your defence, they probably wondered what a detailed statement would look like!

Anyway, well done  

Please pass the word around about CAG to anyone in similar circumstances.

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