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  1. That's interesting! So if I stopped paying even the £1/month on the other debts that I have been paying and they have been sold off several times to other debt collectors there is absolutely nothing that they can do about them now since they are older than 6 years and their CCJs long fell off the records? I will definitely not pay the fleecers anything. Should I expect the same old chain of threats from debt collectors going on and on for the several years to come? Been there before so it does not scare me one bit now!
  2. I got the updated ccj today which I am now attaching together with a fuller order from december. I will ignore the fleecers and i will not pay a penny because I do not need or use much credit anyway. Alternatively I could let the fleecers join the other creditors who have been receiving a token payment of £1 per month since 2011 when I was widowed and quit my job back then to look after the kids ... Judgement.pdf Notice of hearing.pdf
  3. It might look that way for the moment but I do have an exit plan in my back pocket which I will pull out when the time is right..... just didn't expect more debt just showing up for someone who just siphons money they did not earn! Searching frantically for the order I received between the hearings and will scan an upload soon as..... Not quite sure of the judge's name but maybe when i find the order I will establish the link. Attached is the notice they sent me for the 23 of March. I did not pay attention to all the details of the instructions because I expected that it was just a confirmation of what the judge had said in December. I noted the date and time and ensured that I was available in the country and ready to receive the call as expected. Note that VCS never sent me the supplementary witness statement that caused the adjournment to take place to begin with - and I phoned as well as emailed the court plus sent a hard copy of the same email to the court by post and they never responded or took any action about the fact that I was not served with the supplementary statement. Also attached is the adjournment with the order for VCS to send me the statement that I never received. 23 march notice.pdf 23 march notice page 2.pdf Adjournement 1.pdf Judge's name is different from the one on initial hearing. I wonder if some mischief was involved in removing the other one?
  4. What says the cavalry? I happen to be on payment arrangements on older debts at £1 per month... If I am compelled to pay this £210 could I be able to push it to the same kind of payment because it cannot be given priority over my other already existing debts?
  5. Been away for the day and just returned now. There was a letter/order from the court that stated that stated the new court date in which it also stated that I should provide a phone number for the hearing. I did not pay attention to it as I knew that the judge had confirmed during the first hearing that he would ring me on the same number that he had just rung me on. Sounds as though there may be nothing else for me to do now about this case!
  6. Just spoke to the court and they confirm that they made a typo and will be sending an amended order. I received it only today on 14th April. I told them that I never received the supplementary statement from VCS and also that the judge had adjourned for the purpose of me receiving it. Also that the judge himself had previously stated and confirmed with me that on the 23rd of March he would ring me on the same number that he used on the previous hearing. They said that I sound like I needed some legal advice to enable me to send an application form of some sort which they could not advise me on as they are not allowed to.
  7. During the first hearing the judge himself confirmed that he would be ringing me on the same number! Anyway ... I guess there is nothing else I could do now!
  8. CASE CLOSED - SIMPLE SIMON ORDERED TO PAY BY YESTERDAY! I did not know what happened in court that day until now when I have received the attached letter! I seems to me that it is time to celebrate victory and to thank this forum experts for the tireless and selfless efforts they made in assisting me to fight this case! Even the legal lingo in the letter leaves me confused when it states judgment was for the claimant of £100 but then goes on to state who must pay the total including costs of £210 as the same claimant! Then I understood and claimed the victory, not just mine but for all the hardworking folks herein! Simple Simon lost and has to pay by the court by yesterday and with costs!!!! I will forever be grateful and I will certainly make a donation to this group!! VCS lost.pdf
  9. The policy is mine as the car is mine. The boy is added to the policy as the main driver (I am also a named driver on the car) since I bought it for him to learn how to drive a manual transmission car rather than use my automatic transmission car. He took the car while I was away and crashed into someone else's car and I only just found out about it when I came back. So my next step is to just contact the insurers and explain all this to them right?
  10. I was away from 1st March till yesterday. It so happens that the same day I left my 18 year old son, who only just passed his driving test in Octobe,r took the car that I bought for him and drove it away. The car has him down as the main driver but his insurance was obtained when he was on a learner's license. He apparently hit some other car from behind (apparently he expected it to move as he was gauging the distance of the car coming from the right was too far). Ideally he should have his license status updated with the insurance company and have his driving issues sent directly to him. But as this had not happened yet I wanted to check with the experts here what the best way forward would be. I have boarding passes and stamps on my passport to prove that I was not around and cannot be faulted with his error in judgment and his teenage driving incidents.
  11. I was away for a few weeks I returned in time for the hearing today which was due to take place by phone at 10:30am. When I did not hear my phone ring until after 11am I called the court to ask what was happening. They said that I had not supplied them with a contact number. I told them that the judge whom I spoke to last time confirmed the number with me during that hearing as he adjourned it. They said they would call him and find out his instructions. I did not hear from them anymore even though they confirmed that the number I rang them from was the number they could reach me on. That is the latest news on this case.
  12. Congratulations on your win! I hope my case will also be thrown out as yours was because VCS have pursued me solely on the grounds of me being the registered keeper but have no evidence of who was driving and I refused to disclose that information too. Sounds like it is indeed illegal for them to not comply with POFA regulations! Congratulations once again ... happy to see wins on this forum!
  13. The case was adjourned to March 23. Meanwhile I never received the supplementary WS from VCS. I emailed the court as instructed but never received any response to the email. A few weeks later I sent the same content that I had emailed to the court clerk and stated that I have not received any correspondence at all from VCS and that the court should just throw the case out and not allow VCS to continue wasting the court's time. I did not receive any reply from the court neither. So now we are just almost 1 month before the hearing which was adjourned because of the missing supplementary WS and to date the supplementary WS is still missing! And I informed the court about this. What, if anything should I do? I think I should just wait for 23 March and on that date state to the judge that I still never got the document since the last hearing.
  14. A month ago the judge ordered VCS to mail the additional/supplementary witness statement they had against me within 14 days. I never received any to date. I hope that now the judge will just throw the case out.
  15. I was confident that my WS would have knocked them out! Maybe I should have left it for the last minute and sent it via a disposable email address last Friday by 12 noon! They would have been left without a chance to mess around and try to build supplementary nonsense! I am sure with you guys backing me up we shall defeat them with their extortion!
  16. Case has been adjourned to the next available date as some supplementary WS was served to the courts but not to me. Claimant instructed to mail the supplementary WS within 24 days by post that they claim they sent to me but which I never received. Judge says costs are reserved. Cheeky VCS wanted to "email" me the supplementary WS during the hearing and I refused to give them my address and told them I would not like to receive any emails from them and that they have been harassing me... so I was not interested. The judge said that without me having that document which they wanted to rely on then the case could not proceed if he was to be fair!
  17. I wonder if there is anything else I need to do for Monday which is the hearing date? Also, how could I claim the time off work if I work for myself without a registered business?
  18. sounds brilliant but though I like the idea, I am not sure what full costs to ask the court for here and what costs to outline. thanks
  19. point 13 was copied and pasted verbatim from another thread as recommended by experts here so I presume they know what they are talking about.
  20. Thank you Dave. I am implementing the changes you have suggested. Will send the WS tomorrow morning via 2nd class postage with a proof of posting.
  21. My WS as I intend to send it... any problems anyone can spot? In the county court at Middlesbrough Claim No: Between Vehicle Control Services Limited (Claimant) V (Defendant) Witness Statement Introduction It is admitted that the Defendant is the registered keeper of XXnn XXX Locus standi/bye-laws and Relevant land Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 (PoFA) allows recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle. However, the first paragraph 1 (1) (a) states that it only applies “in respect of parking of the vehicle on relevant land:”. The definition of “relevant land” is given in paragraph 3 (1) where subsection (c) excludes “any land ... on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control”. The bus stop is not on relevant land because the public road on which that stand is on is covered by the Road Traffic Act. Notwithstanding that the claimant claims that " the claimant has given the Defendant its contractual licence to enter the site", the claimant has not given any contractual licence whatsoever. This is a road leading to/from the airport which is covered by the Road Traffic Act. A list of highways on the Highways act 1980 does not even exist. The defendant brings the attention of the court that VCS is using this non existent document issue as a deliberate strategy to debunk the fact that this road is not relevant land. VCS are put to strict proof that it is relevant land not covered by the Road Traffic Act nor by Byelaws. While it is true that landowners can bring in their own terms, it is also true that whatever terms they bring cannot overrule Byelaws and the Road Traffic Act. If Bye Laws are involved then the bus stop is not relevant land and neither is the specious argument about First Great Western Ltd. Is the claimant ignorant of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012? The road outside of Doncaster Sheffield Airport is not relevant land and is not covered by the Protection of Freedoms Act. That makes the charge against the claimant tantamount to fraud or extortion. The claimant mentions a couple occasions where they have won such cases. It is brought to the attention of the court that none of those cited cases were on airport land. VCS actually has also lost a lot more cases than they have won using their prohibitive signs. Airport land is covered by Bye Laws and hence the claim by VCS is not applicable in this instance. The remit of VCS ends in the car park and does not extend to the bus stops on public roads or land which they have no jurisdiction over. All classes of people go to the airport. This includes travellers, taxis, fuel bowsers, airport staff, companies delivering food and drink for each aircraft, air traffic controllers and buses with passengers. It is therefore absolutely ridiculous to attribute VCS with any sort of permissions. The defendant submits that VCS should not confuse a major thoroughfare with a car park and presume to act as land owners and usurp the control of any land which is not relevant to them. Protection of Freedoms Act The clearest point on section 4.1 of the Protection of Freedoms act is that “The provisions in Schedule 4 are intended to apply only on private land in England and Wales. Public highways are excluded as well as any parking places on public land which are either provided or controlled by a local authority (or other government body). Any land which already has statutory controls in relation to the parking of vehicles (such as byelaws applying to airports, ports and some railway station car parks) is also excluded.” Therefore, as this case pertains to an airport, the claimant unlawfully obtained the registered keeper’s details against the defendant’s vehicle. Thus, on this basis alone, the defendant implores the court to throw out this case. Notwithstanding the above point, if perchance Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms act 2012 were to apply, the claimant is put to strict proof that they complied with the requirements of section 7 stating, “(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to driver for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(a) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met. The notice must — (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;” Without such proof the court must of necessity throw out this case forthwith. Deceit, Intimidation and Extortion The Claimant’s Particulars of Claim include £50 legal costs, yet in the letter dated 03/06/2021, the Claimant stated that they were no longer represented by Elms Legal and all further correspondence should be sent to the VCS in-house litigation department. Why should the Claimant be asking the Defendant to contribute to their employee’s salary? Furthermore, as per another letter dated 30th July 2021, the Claimant wrote, ‘Should you fail to accept our offer of settlement then we will proceed to Trial and bring this letter to the Court’s attention upon question of costs in order seek further costs of £220 incurred in having to instruct a local Solicitor to attend the hearing in conjunction with the amount claimed on the Claim Form.’ I find this an extraordinary statement given the Claimant knows legal costs are capped at £50 in Small Claims Court. I cannot think of any reason why the Claimant would write this letter other than to intimidate the opposing party with the threat of an extortionate sum of money, hoping they would be able to take advantage of someone not knowing the Small Claims Court rules. Given that this letter came from the Claimant’s in-house litigation department, clearly well-versed in the law, this cannot be anything but deceitful and disingenuous behaviour which the court should never tolerate. Contractual costs / debt recovery charge In addition to the £50 legal costs, the Claimant is seeking recovery of the original £100 parking charge plus an additional £60 which is described as ‘debt collection costs’. In the Vehicle Control Service v Claim Number: 18 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated, ‘Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones-Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates […] in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court in Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law. It is hereby declared […] the claim be struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.’ In Claim number F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia v Crosby went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of White & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed the earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand stating, ‘It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedom Acts 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in ParkingEye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998…’ Vehicle Control Service v Claim Number: 19 51. Moreover, the addition of costs not specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14. It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4). The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the Civil Procedure Rules, the Beavis Case, the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 and Consumer Rights Act 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused. Alleged contract The court should consider if there is any contract to start with and if the alleged offence is on relevant land. The consideration will inevitably lead the court to conclude that there is no contract. Also the court should note that there is no valid contract that exists between VCS and Peel. Under the Companies Act, a contract should be signed by the directors of both companies and witnessed by two independent individuals. This alleged contract, which makes no mention of pursuing registered keepers of vehicles to court, makes its first appearance as a Witness Statement. Thus the alleged contract is null and void. The Beavis case referred to by the claimant is about parking in a car park. The claimant is here attempting to equate that case to stopping, not parking, in a bus stop and on a road that is covered by the Road Traffic Act. The defendant submits that there can be no contract as there is no offer but there is only a prohibition. Again, it is not relevant land and VCS has absolutely no rights over it. Further, the defendant would like to point out that motorists NEVER accept any contract just by entering the land. First they must read it and understand it and then, and only then can they realise that "No stopping" is prohibitive and cannot offer a contract. Bus stop signage The signs around the bus stop do not mention who issued the “No Stopping” signs so it could not have been issued by VCS since the IPC CoP states that their signs should include the IPC logo and that the creditor should be identified. Nothing on the signs around the bus stop that says “NO Stopping” mentions VCS or Peel Investments who are now purporting to be the land owners of a public road. As the signage should identify the creditor, since it does not, this is a breach of the CoP. The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 does not prohibit stopping in a restricted bus stop or stand, it prohibits stopping in a clearway. The defendant would like to ask the court to consider if any clause of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 that the claimant alleges has been violated by the defendant. There is no mention of permits on the signage. If there were, would it mean that Permit holders were allowed to stop on “No Stopping” roads? Notwithstanding what the claimant calls it, the mentioned signage is NOT a contractual clause. A “No stopping” sign is not an offer of parking terms. Since the signage around the bus stop is prohibitive, it is as such is incapable of forming a contract. Further, the defendant would like to point out that the prohibitive sign is not actually at the bus stop but a few metres before the stand itself. There is no mention of a £100 charge for breaching the “No stopping” request, or if there is one then it is far too small to read, even for a pedestrian. As already stated, a Witness Statement between VCS and Peel Investments is not a valid document. It will need more than the Claimants feather to outweigh the case against the Defendant regardless of who was driving. There is no law of agency involved. This is not a case of employer/employee relationship. VCS cannot transfer the driver's liability to the registered keeper. There can be no comparison between a railway station and an airport. This is a totally fatuous analogy which cannot be applied to this case. As stated in the defence, it is denied the Claimant is entitled to the recovery or any recovery at all. The nefarious parking charge notice given for a vehicle on a public road bus stop was ill advised to start with. Conclusions: VCS has failed to present ANY reasonable and valid cause to apply to the DVLA for the Defendants details. VCS has failed to provide ANY valid contract with the landowners. “No stopping” is prohibitive therefore cannot form a contract the event happened on a bus stop over which VCS has no jurisdiction the signage either does not show that there was a charge of £100 for stopping, or the font size was too small for any motorist to be able to read it the signage does not show the Creditor which fails the IPC CoP and hence the signage is not valid the WS contract does not authorise VCS to pursue motorists to Court Given all these factors it seems that VCS have breached the GDPR of the Defendant quite substantially and it would appear right that an exemplary award is made against VCS in the hope that they will drop all further cases at Doncaster airport where they are pursuing motorists on non relevant land. The Defendant wishes to bring to the attention of the court that the Claimant cites an irrelevant case of a car park and tries to apply its merits to a bus stop. That in itself invalidates the entire fallacious claim. Accordingly, this case is totally without merit. Some statements are pretty close to perjury and others are designed to mislead or misdirect. None of the analogies seem appropriate or relevant. All the false information presented as a statement of truth could have been stated using half the words and without all the repetition which appears to be trying to build a strong case where there is none at all. One particularly bad example of misdirection is in the photographs. The Clearway sign shown near the bus stop is very unclear unlike the Clearway sign two photos before it which may well include terms and conditions. The one by the bus stop is totally different. 47. Lastly I wish to bring to the attention of the court, a systematic pattern of the Claimant’s court action behaviour in several of their cases. They tend to have a VCS paralegal writing a Witness Statement, then mentioning in the last paragraph of the Witness Statement that they may be unable to attend court and subsequently the paralegals never turn up to be cross examined. In the event that Mohammed Wali is unable to attend court to be asked about his claims, then I would like to know why he is not able to attend when the hearing has been scheduled months in advance, is during working hours and as a result of covid, is online, meaning there is no travel involved. Ambreen Arshad, the other paralegal employed by VCS, does exactly the same.
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