Nicky Boy, lucky that food prep is my super power, I’ll get cooking Thanks FTMDave.

Hey all, Update... They have sent another letter asking for the reduced fee of £20 again. I have uploaded for you to see. Should I: a) reply b) leave them to stew? or c) slap them with a GDPR breach complaint Answers on a post card please. TIA 2023-08-17 UoL remider notice.pdf

Hmm fingers crossed they disappear. If not I’ll get some Beta blockers to help me handle the ‘scare’

Hey FTMDave, Nope. Nothing so far. There was a latter dated 19th (sent before all the emailing commenced) saying they now wanted the full £80 as the 14 day ‘discounted’ period had ended. But other than that not a peep.

Thanks everyone. Will wait a short while before I send it.

The time of 4hrs and 4 mins is the time between time of entry and time of exit not parking. The PCN also states that ‘by parking within this car park the driver is bound to these terms and conditions’. No car park was parked in! As clearly stated in both emails. they have not provided the timings for actual parking anywhere. Only time of entry and exit.

Oh . Thank you

Ok drafted a letter. Maybe its a bit too @r$ey? I can try be more polite if you think it's harsh. Thanks my reply.pdf

Agreed lookingforinfo. They’re asserting that the car was parked in their car park. They’ve come to this conclusion because the ANPR isn’t directly outside the car park it’s positioned on the road leading to the car park, and it captured the car going in and out of that area on the road itself. I’m assuming they are defining the whole area as private land and in their ‘orange zone’ but the main roads are public and any orange zone signs are placed beyond the ANPR cameras.

Thanks NickyBoy and Lookingforinfo have double checked online and yes the land is definitely public. ok will redraft. Do you suggest I leave out the sch4 bits too? thank you!

. You crack me up!

I know. I just can’t bloomin decide. I have enough on my plate right now and could really do without this. But I REALLY don’t want to give in

Thanks Dx, have emailed the hospital asking the question re land ownership (the lady there has been helpful thus far).

I am definitely up for a fight. You guys all helped me last time and it resulted in a win… Gladstone’s had to cough up £50. Sweet justice. Id go as far as small claims just to see the look on the J’s face when they see an elderly Alzheimer’s patient defending themselves! The car was parked outside of the car park on the roadside on double yellow lines. It’s unclear as to whether it’s university or Hospital grounds as they are all literally on the same land. Also it is a University Hospital. Is it worth me responding to the email above stating (again) that the car was not parked in the car park? The PCN says ‘By parking within this car park the driver is bound to these terms and conditions and liable to pay a charge if they breach these terms and conditions. The reason we issued the PCN is: FAILURE TO PAY FOR THE DURATION OF THE STAY. Also the reply to the appeal says “The driver has driven past those signs, entered the car parks and thereby have accepted the conditions of parking on University land.” I didn’t know that driving past a sign it means one accepts the T&C’s? What if it’s not legible from the car? I could also include LookingForInfo’s points above? Im going to drive up and take a look at the area so I can get pictures to show you. Thanks all.

Hey HB this is from the parking appeals team. From the email address on the back of the PCN.

Today I have a reply. Brace yourselves. The University of Leeds uses an Automatic Number Plate Recognition (“ANPR”) system to monitor and enforce parking conditions on campus. At both entrances to the University of Leeds Orange Zone car parks (at Woodhouse Lane and Willow Terrace) there are multiple signs stating the terms and conditions of parking here. The driver has driven past those signs, entered the car parks and thereby have accepted the conditions of parking on University land. There is further signage throughout the car parks again displaying the conditions of parking. The University’s Orange Zone car parks are for permit holders and pre-booked visitors only between 7am & 5pm Monday to Friday. Outside of these hours the car parks are open to the public, but a parking tariff is payable (including Blue badge holders). We are not associated with the NHS so the information you provided regarding the “NHS Car Parking Guidance 2022” does not apply to the University of Leeds and is therefore irrelevant. I can see the amount for this PCN has been increased to £80, on this occasion as a gesture of goodwill I have reduced the payment to £20. Payment can be made online at https://leedsunipay.iview.co.uk. Please note, if payment is not made in the next 14 days, then the balance of this PCN will increase to £80. If you wish to appeal then you can do so to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Details of the appeals procedure can be found at www.theIAS.org. The IAS provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. We will engage with the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you comply with our internal appeals procedure as detailed herein and that thereafter you lodge an appeal to the IAS within 21 days of rejection. If you do appeal and do not hear from us within 28 days then please contact us, do not assume that your appeal has been successful. Please be advised that if you choose to appeal to the IAS and your appeal is unsuccessful, you will lose the right to pay at the reduced amount. Due to legal procedures, it is difficult for the University of Leeds to submit verbal evidence before the court. We therefore regret that we are unable to deal with telephone enquiries with regard to the issue of this PCN. All enquiries must be forwarded in writing. This charge has been lawfully issued and the collection process will be carried out in accordance with The Administration of Justice Act 1970. 1% of me wants to just pay the £20 to be rid of it the other 99% would rather donate that to this forum. Grrr

Update. PALS have forwarded my email on to the appeals team … rolls eyes*

Brilliant Nicky Boy, thank you so much. I’ll get to it.

Honeybee13, they’re not driving at all. They are driven by someone else. Thanks for clarifying Bazooka Boo. Thanks FTMDave. Will try the three pronged approach and will wait until the morning to send the appeal. Thanks again everyone for all your help. You’re amazing. I don’t know why I was stressing.

Thanks FTMDave Yes this is unusual, hence why I was considering an appeal… long shot. I am a family member. I have been trying to figure out what has happened all day today and think I now understand the circumstances. The driver of the vehicle was transporting a disabled badge holder to a hospital appointment but could not find any disabled parking. They then drove into the ‘Orange Zone’ Car Park, realised they didn’t have a permit and instead parked the car just outside of the orange zone area on double yellow lines and displayed the disabled badge. The double yellow lines were inside the ANPR area but before/outside of any signage detailing restrictions and not in the car park. As such they thought the usual double yellow lines parking for disabled badge holders was valid. I hope that made sense

Shall I attempt an appeal to the email address on the back of the PCN? If it is the hospital they might be more ‘open’ to reconsider? I can explain about the Alzheimer’s etc and hope to appeal to their better nature.

Hey Nicky Boy, Thanks for your reply. I'll give PALS a call. See if it helps. They haven't been officially stopped from driving but they never renewed their licence as they didn't meet the criteria on the renewal form. Hey Bazooka Boo, Thanks will do that now see what they say. So I'll not bother appealing then and just send the hospital an email and ask them to cancel the PCN. Cheers all.

1 Date of the infringement 12th June 2023 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 19th June 2023 3 Date received Unknown 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? YES although exit picture reg number cannot be seen in picture and the picture they have of the reg number underneath is the exact same as the one from the picture on entry. 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] Not yet but i'm about to, wanted to make sure I didn't mess it up though so checking with you guys first. Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? Leeds University 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Leeds University / Hospital grounds For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IPC? ....................... Hey all, Posting on behalf of the recipient of a PCN as they have Alzheimer's/Dementia and are not able to deal with this. PCN has just been found under a pile of stuff as recipient has adv Alzheimer's. Now I'm up against the 'appeals' clock. At present no idea of driver but it it was def not the recipient of the PCN for obvious reasons also because they can't actually drive anymore. I was going to draft a letter detailing all of the above but thought I better check with you guys first as you've been such a massive help in the past. (Thank you). Any advice would be greatly appreciated. TIA. 2023-09-19 UOL PCN incident 12-6-23.pdf

Great. Thanks dx and bazooka boo. Really appreciate your help. Will watch and wait and will keep you posted.

Thanks dx. In my haste I forgot to mention that I have also had a letter from tv licencing today. The emails were also from tv licencing… apologies, I wrote BBC as there was a reference to iplayer in both their emails and letter.