thanks but just because debt collectors have no real powers do not mean that they will not issue a ccj against him and threats of bailiffs really scary i moved into a flat years ago and on the second day bailiffs turned up for the previous occupent and pushed their way in and starting grabbing things!! this was terrifying and it was not even my debt, they also said that if i was lucky i was there they had the right to brake in and help themselves. should i at least try writing to debt collection plus and appeal again as they do show on their web site lots of cases they have issued ccjs on people, i know you say chill but as you can see i am a worryer although i have noticed that evey time i appeal aletter on that exact date is sent out!!!