To be honest you could just as easily write out a short two-line note basically saying that East Midlands Airport is not considered "relevant land" as defined in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such you are not liable as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and that they will need to take the matter up with the driver involved, yours sincerely, get stuffed. If they're stupid enough to try taking you to court knowing they can only pursue the driver, and they don't know who that was, they're idiots, frankly.

Cheers Dave. Yeah I know exactly what you mean, it's tempting to go full nuclear on them and tell them exactly why they're talking bobbins. If I did that though, it'd probably run to 4 full pages. And I get what you mean about keeping it for the witness statement later on. I'll make the tweaks you suggested for now, and wait for a couple of weeks before posting in case anything else crops up that might be fun to stick in there. Thanks CD

How's this for a first draft; Dear Parking Eye I am writing with regards to your letter dated 02/08/2023 headed “LETTER BEFORE COUNTY COURT CLAIM”. I have been following your trail of letters with a hint of faint amusement. If you really think that spending 10 minutes in a totally empty car park that you don’t even own somehow translates to me owing you £120, plus whatever further spurious charges you see fit to tack on, then you really are quite deluded. Do you really not have anything better to do with your time than try and fleece hardworking people with these poorly disguised penalty charges? I know that your business model relies on ill-informed people simply caving in and paying up when your “scary” paperwork arrives through the post. Please note though that I am not one of those people. I am not intimidated by your empty threats and rest assured I fully intend to defend myself at court if you choose to take that course of action. Oh, and for the avoidance of any doubt, since I know you’ll probably just disregard this letter and proceed with a civil claim anyway, I will be following up my defence to the court with an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14 (2) (g). Your move. Yours Cardiff Devil

Cheers LFI & Dave. I'll have a look around the forum for some other examples and come back when I've penned something. I'm not going to lie, I've actually been quite looking forward to this stage where I can break my wall of silence and tear a strip off them. Thanks CD

Questionaire attached, hopefully... Debt Form.pdf

Morning folks. Looks like PE have decided to skip the DCA and solicitor threat-o-grams and have sent a Letter Before Claim of their own. Please see attached. I'm guessing we're now at the "snotty letter" phase? They've also attached some kind of debt questionnaire which as far as I can tell is just something they've whipped up themselves and isn't part of anything official for the court. I tried attaching that but it went over the size limit. I'll keep trying. Thanks CD PE-LBC_Redacted.pdf

Cheers LFI. I think there's a pretty good chance that PE will try and play their hand in court. They seem like one of the most litigious parking companies from what I've read and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't chance it. What tickles me the most is that the entrance sign I posted in post #13 invites you in to the car park to read the full terms and conditions, but if you decide, having read them not to accept them and leave, their lack of any grace period means there's already a penalty charge on it's way to you. That in and of itself I reckon would get them laughed out of court and definitely will be followed by a complaint to the BPA if they decide to chance it.

Hello all. Just thought I'd fill you in with the latest piece of hamster bedding from ParkingLie. Continuing to ignore the grifters. Cheers CD PE-Letter-Jul23_Redacted.pdf

Morning Ladies and Germs. Just a quick update as promised. I was at this site again last night so I grabbed two photos of the sign at the entrance to the car park. As mentioned previously it's partially obscured by tree branches and I didn't even notice it at first when I was taking the pictures of the other signs. Interesting how the entrance sign invites you into the car park to read the full terms and conditions on the other signs, even though if you decide not to accept them and to leave, too late, they've already got you. Cheers CD Entrance Signage.pdf

No mention of POFA on the NTK, plus if it's airport land and subject to bye-laws POFA isn't applicable anyway. So they can't rely on it to pursue the keeper either way. They can only chase the driver for this charge, and they have no legal grounds or means to find out who this was. You'll probably get numerous letters from VCS, then a couple from a debt collector, then a couple from a solicitor. Unless something arrives titled "letter before claim" or very similar, just ignore it (but keep copies of all letters). If you get the LBC letter come back here for further advice.

Gotcha. I'll sit tight until then. Do ParkingLie forward the info on to any scummy DCAs, or do they just ramp up the threat-o-grams until the PAPLOC stage?

I know parking companies almost never allow appeals, as it's not in their interests to do so, but I've had much better success in the past with POPLA. I was always under the impression that just ignoring them, save for actual court papers wasn't recommended. So is it just a case of sitting tight and seeing if they send a PAPLOC and then a court claim, or is there anything I can do in the meantime?

Pictures of signage attached. Entrance sign to follow in a couple of days hopefully. Car Park Signage.pdf

Thanks LFI Yes, the car park signage is very strange. Permit only during the week and Pay & Display (via a phone app) on the weekends, apparently. I have photos of the signs in the car park itself but like a numpty I forgot to get a picture of the sign at the entrance. I didn't even notice it at first because it's largely obscured by the branches of a tree but I'll more than likely be going up to that area again later this week so I'll grab that while I'm up there next. I can't upload JPEGs so is the best way to upload the signs to paste them into a PDF and upload that?

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] (must be received within 14 days from the Incident) Please answer the following questions. 1 Date of the infringement 23rd May 2023 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 27th May 2023 [scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s 3 Date received 1st June 2023 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] New Directions Holdings, Lambourne Crescent, Llanishen, Cardiff, CF14 5GL For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. BPA Just to clarify why is the advice no longer to appeal? I was not the driver and can safely appeal to PE and POPLA as the registered keeper only without disclosing who was driving. PE_NTK - Redacted.pdf