I will take the first paragraph in context 1. So I send a lever arch file of documentation weighing 2.456kgs and the defence say that they only received a certain amount of documents, which in reality amounts to some 35 pages of A4 2. So I send another lever arch file of documentation weighing a similar amount and the defence say that they only received a certain amount of documents. 3. So I send another lever arch file of documentation weighing a similar amount and the defence say that they only received a certain amount of documents This can go on and on till somebody gets tired of not telling the truth. Let’s look at things a different way, something that is there in black and white Lever Arch file 380 grms 35 pages of documentation 172 grams Now we will say that I don’t have a good quality Lever Arch file so I will make that up to 500grams My A4 paper needs to be better quality instead I get better paper and that becomes double 172 = 400 grams yes I know I can’t add up So we now have a brand new Lever Arch file at 500grams Better heavier paper 35 pages 400 grams Total 900 grams Packing lets say 100grams Lever Arch file 500 New paper 400 Packing 100 Total weight 1 kilogram So I would say that the lady who works at the Post Office is either lying or mistaken with the Post Office receipt that she gave me, it was a receipt for 2.465kgs cost £12.98 The above weight and price is taken from the receipt of the Lever Arch file that the defendants solicitor say they they received, then went on to say they only received 35 pages. I sincerely hope that the above makes sense P.S I can't upload the Post Office receipt for personal reasons +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Second paragraph The difference between the two lists is seen below http://snk.to/f-ctuio8mu I am now going resubmit this second disclosure list only this time it will be signed

:oops:Sorry Honeybee, may all you behives be plentyfull.

Yes, to first paragraph. Please re-read my earier missive at 09:14

This is the second go at this claim. The first claim was for three items; F............. M........ B......... With that I submitted accompanying documentation in a bundle that I intended to rely on. Now the claim has been amended to; T . . . . . . . . . So it goes without saying that the time lapse between claims was a matter of hours, not days weeks or months, they will have the first set of documentation. The above text will become clear reading together with my example as seen above. Finally the Court has allowed my amended particulars of claim.

I am now going on eBay to look for a very very very long extension lead:jaw: I know my internet system works

Line One >>>Thanks for the compliment. Line Two >>>PM sent. Line Three >>>The judge would not accept it because it was not signed. Line Four >>>If I start to tell you about line four, I would not feel comfortable till after the trial begins, then I will be to busy.

My Disclosure documentation runs to 7 pages numbers 1 - 134 which I intend to rely on. One document within this disclosure is over 300 pages in length. The above link is an example as stated above ! ! ! All the documentation runs to over 3,000 pages, the disclosure documentation is but one very small part that will lead me into the rest of my claim presentation. By the time I am finished at the end of day four, “on the balance of probabilities”, I firmly believe the judge will be in no doubt where to find Your quote of "I think we need to know exactly what the Judge and the Defendant's Solicitors have said about the unsigned disclosure statement". This definitely cannot be shared in an open Forum which I think you will agree. Your quote of ; “Why did you not use the standard Court form N265 for your disclosure” If I’m honest, I was naïve, all I had to go on was the internet and my determination, so you can shout at me if you wish, but to me it was a means to an end. What will a defending Solicitor say to the late arrival of my new submission ? Is there a CPR / Practice Direction that will allow me to do this ?

To Ganymede and Steampowered Thanks for your input Heres the thing, they are not exactly the same ! ! ! Please see my example http://snk.to/f-ctuio8mu My trial date is set for 2, 3, 4 & 5 Sept as it is this close can I still resubmit my “signed disclosure form” What will a defending Solicitor say to the late arrival of my new submission ? Is there a CPR / Practice Direction that will allow me to do this ? Do I need to fill out another application form etc. etc. ?

“Err excuse me your Honour I am just waiting to get the Wi-Fi signal and when my laptop has booted up I will be able to give you an answer.” OR I could just go ahead and use the White Book 2013 edition. “Sorry your Honour there is no Wi-Fi signal anyway” The term "Contempt of Court" springs to mind while the rest of thepublic gallery are in stitches.

Here is the example Click the link: http://snk.to/f-ctuio8mu

Something I have just thought of to follow up on my "coloumn issues" The reason why there is a difference between "a copy at" and "attached to the bundle" The defence objected to items 1, 33, 45, 124 etc. etc. So I had to resubmit a new disclosure document

Hi Andy please see my latest for a full description

I don't want to say too much on an open Forum, suffice to say the differences are as follows; First column “Numbers” the same Second column “Document description” the same Third column “Where it may be found” the same The fourth column copy number 1, looks like this A copy at XXXXXXXX ( the name of the solicitors) The fourth column copy number 2, looks like this Attached to the bundle The 1st disclosure document the signed one The fourth column number looks like this “A copy at XXXXXXXX” (the name of the solicitors) The 2nd disclosure documentthe unsigned one The fourth column number looks like this “Attached to the bundle”. I hope my interpretation makes sense, basically the only difference is the signature Believe me, if I could put this on an open Forum I would.

Hi Andy The judge will not let me use the second one, because it is not signed

The only difference between the two documents number one has a signature and number two does not

Doubled up

Ganymede please my reply to Steampowered

I thought that once the "trial date" had been set everything was written in stone and sealed by the Court. Practice Direction 5c Signature 9 Any provision of the CPR which requires a document (other than an affidavit) to be signed by any person is satisfied by that person or an authorised person typing his or her name on an electronic version of the form. As seen in this link http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part05/pd_part05c#9 I believe that the wording that applies to this thread is as follows; or an authorised person typing his or her name on an electronic version of the form I downloaded the form from the internet, so by that virute alone it now becomes electronic, (what is an email if not electronic), as stated earlier in this thread my "name, address, email address and telephone number" are on both disclosure forms, the fact that one is signed and one is is not is a mute point. Anybody looking both of these disclosure forms together can plainly see that they have put together / formatted / laid out by the same person.

I made an application to amend the claim which was approved by the Court. There is no diference in the claim except the initial disclosure was signed and the second was not, both have personal details, name,address,land line number and email address. So the question is do "personal details" constitute a signature ? See my reference Practice Direction 5c Signature 9 but it really does not fit my needs Something more concise would be better

On my link http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil there are several The Statutory Instrument and The Practice Direction Making Document these are various pdf's two of which seen here I have looked at the above Justice website link and none of these apply to my claim. I have looked at your link on Sweet & Maxwell and a lot them either refer back to the 2013 edition or earlier or they are covered in the Justice.gov link. So I think between us we have solved the question. Thanks for the link

I thought that all County Court Judgements with a value over £600 could be moved up. Yep I forgot to insert that little bit £600 it is.

I have sent you a PM

If you have the judegement ( which you do ) get a fieri facias have it moved up to the High Court. Then let the High Court Enforcement Officers deal with it. They will do the tracing etc. etc. The cost to you £60 which you get back when they get your money back.

Hi There People Does anybody know of the difference between the "White Book 2013" and "White Book 2014" All I can come up with is this link from the Justice website; http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil Is a "White Book 2013" still in use in the County Court ?

Hi There This is a multi-track claim,well above the £15k limit The reason why I submitted a second "disclosure form" was because my claim was amended. The question is the there anything in the "White Book" that states either an email address or a name and address or both is good enough to replace a written signature ? The closest I have found is Practice Direction 5c Signature 9 but it really does not fit my needs Tony