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  1. Just realised, you say that the enforcement notice has to give 14 days, then this one just by the dates on the notice only give 9. So am i correct in thinking that this is invalid too?
  2. Also have discovered that, the enforcement notice 76(1) is dated 11/8 saying agreement will be terminated on 20/8 then they issued a 87(1) (that may be completely wrong anyway) on 30/8 giving until 17/9 to rectify. however have found out now that they were taking the account charges £12pm for a few months after the account was supposed to have been terminated
  3. Hi Andy, Sorry but i thought by reading the legislation above, the account, by Lloyds allowing it to go over it's limit it became a regulated agreement hence the 87(1), s74A(1)(b) if the account-holder did so, this would become a regulated consumer credit agreement
  4. Bump, and going through the paperwork i have got and i came across the Enforcement notice 76(1), in it, it states that Lloyds intend to terminate the account on 20/8 but then the default 87(1) is dated 30/8 so 10 days post termination. My question is, i have read somewhere that the default can't be dated post termination as that way there is no account to terminate. is this correct?? so in effect the default is void in yet another way? Also does any one know the correct prescribed form for the 76(1) notice all i could find is the regulations saying it must be in the prescribed form
  5. Sorry, still working on the WS, but the court orders say to deliver to court and claimant no later than 14 days before the hearing, I was working on the assumption that it is 14 calender days but someone told me today it should be working days.
  6. Thanks for all your help Andy, makes things easier when you have someone to direct you
  7. Any one got an idea where i can find where it states this "Under FSA BCOB's they have to treat you fairly and a charge (which takes you overdrawn) can not attract other unauthorised borrowing charges (technically they authorised this borrowing by adding a charge which they knew would result in a negative balance" I saw this in another thread and looked at the FSA BCOB's but couldn't see it, probably just being blind
  8. Ok, i have had a go at the WS, please can someone take a look at it and let me know if you think it is ok, the bits in red are what i am unsure about, so if you could give me some advice on the correct way to word them and the correct section numbers i would be grateful: Witness Statement 1 I XXXX XXXX the defendant in this claim make the following statement in support of my defence of claim no XXXXXXX. 2 I do not deny that a contract once existed between me and the claimant. I deny the contract endures since on a day prior to the commencement of this case against me, the Claimant terminated the contract as confirmed on the claim form. 3 I deny that I have ever received an effective default notice from the Claimant prior to the contract being terminated. 4 At trial I shall contend that Under Sections 76(1) and 98(1) of the CCA 1974 (The Act) the creditor must deliver a Termination notice which complies with all of the requirement of Section XX of the Act and of the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 before the Claimant will become entitled to terminate the agreement and make any demand for early payment. It is my case that no termination notice which complied in the respects referred to was ever delivered to me by the Claimant. 5 In any event, the Default notice that was served is non compliant not least the notice that was served, was served under s87(1), the format for normal credit or personal loan accounts and not the correct form for a current account. 6 I therefore put the Claimant to strict proof that any Default Notice sent to me was valid, I also note that to be valid, a Default Notice needs to be accurate in terms of both the scope and nature of breach and include an accurate figure required to remedy any such breach. The prescribed format for such a document is laid down in the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1561) and amendment regulations the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (SI 2004/3237). 7 If the claimant decides that the default notice that was served is valid and the claim should proceed using the s87(1) then: 8 It is submitted that the above Default Notice served s87(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 failed to comply with the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1561). The failure of a Default Notice to be accurate not only invalidates the Default Notice (Woodchester Lease Management Services Ltd v Swain and Co - [2001] GCCR 2255) but is an unlawful rescission of contract which would not only prevent the Court enforcing any alleged debt, but give me a counter claim for damages - Kpohraror v Woolwich Building Society [1996] 4 All ER 119. 9 For a Creditor to be entitled to terminate an agreement where there is a breach, demand repayment in full or take any legal action to recover any monies due under the Agreement, a creditor must serve a Default Notice under section 87(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 which states: Section 87. Need for Default Notice (1) Service of a notice on the Debtor or hirer in accordance with section 88 (a "Default Notice ") is necessary before the creditor or owner can become entitled, by reason of any breach by the Debtor or hirer of a regulated Agreement - (a) to terminate the Agreement, or (b) to demand earlier payment of any sum, or © to recover possession of any goods or land, or (d) to treat any right conferred on the Debtor or hirer by the Agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred, or (e) to enforce any security. 10 The Act also sets out via Section 88(1), that the Default Notice must be in the prescribed form, as below: Section 88. Contents and effect of Default Notice (1) The Default Notice must be in the prescribed form… 11 The wording must make it clear that no variation is acceptable. Therefore it cannot be dispensed with as a De Minimus issue. 12 I note that the regulations do not allow any variation in the form of these statements and therefore it is suggested that where the statements are not as laid down in the regulations the Default Notice is rendered invalid as a consequence. 13 In the case of Woodchester Lease Management Services Ltd v Swain & Co - [1998] All ER (D) 339 in the Court of Appeal, the Court addressed in some detail the issue of the contents of a Default Notice and should the notice fail to comply with the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1561) it would render the Default Notice invalid. I quote the comment of KENNEDY LJ: "This statute was plainly enacted to protect consumers, most of whom are likely to be individuals" the judgment appears to confirm the consumer credit legislation made under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 as plainly enacted and set out to offer protection to the consumer. Therefore it is suggested that the failure of the Claimant to set out the Default Notice in accordance with the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1561) could unduly prejudice me as it failed to specify an accurate figure to remedy the breach, instead I was supposed to guess the amount needed to remedy. 14 In either case the Claimant’s failure to issue a valid Default Notice either under s76(1) OR s87(1) must surely prevent a right of action and would make any termination of the agreement unlawful, as statute provides the procedure that must be followed. Since the Claimant has failed to adhere to statutory procedure it is averred that the Claimant does not have a right of action, and can never now have a right of action having terminated the Agreement unlawfully. 15 This was at all times an Agreement Regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974. There is no provision in the Act that allows a large financial institution to terminate an Agreement that is in alleged default or breach simply by giving notice to the Consumer. Section 98(6) makes that quite clear. The Creditor must follow the steps outlined in Section 78, 87, 88 and section 98 if they are to lawfully Default and Terminate, and enjoy the benefits of Sections 78, 87, 88 or 98. 16 Finally, an invalid Default Notice cannot be remedied by simply issuing a new Default Notice. The Claimant may not serve a second effective default notice in prescribed form post-termination of the agreement. Any such second default notice will necessarily state a date by when I would be required to comply after which in default the agreement would terminate. The second default notice would therefore contain the fiction that the agreement endured when that cannot be the case, as it was terminated before this claim was made before me. Terminating an Agreement on the back of a defective Default Notice, simply confirms the undeniable truth that Termination of the agreement by the Claimant was carried out in circumstances which then prohibited them from enjoying the benefits of section XX namely the opportunity to seek early payment of a sum that was, prior to termination, only payable in the future. 17 The claimant claims £XX XX . I refute this is payable. This amount is default charges levied on the account for alleged late, missed or over limit payments. The court will be aware that these charge types and the recoverability thereof have been judicially declared to be susceptible to assessments of fairness under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 The Office of Fair Trading v Abbey National PLC and others (2009). I will contend at trial that such charges are unfair in their entirety. 18 Prior to bringing this claim against me, Lloyds were informed that all the charges were being taken from benefit payments, and on two occasions said that they would be investigated but Lloyds used the The Office of Fair Trading v Abbey National PLC and others (2009) as an excuse to place my claim on hold and as a result failed to investigate my concerns. 19 I do not admit that I am in debt to the defendant, at all relevant times I have been in receipt of BENEFITS HERE, The sum referred to by the claimant in their claim is comprised of charges applied to my account and which are void by virtue s.187 Social Security Administration Act 1992. By seeking to appropriate the defendants benefits the claimant is treating her unfairly and in breach of their statutory duty contained in the Banking:Conduct of Business Regulations 2009, made under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000. 20 187(1) Subject to the provision of this Act, (Social Security Administration Act 1992) every assignment of or charge on– (a) benefit as defined in section 122 of the Contributions and Benefits Act; and every agreement to assign or charge such benefit shall be void; and, on the bankruptcy of a beneficiary, such benefit shall not pass to any trustee or other person acting on behalf of his creditors. 21 After filing my defence on the 5th December, I received a letter from Wescot on the 12th December 2012 advising me that they had got a CCJ by default and that I should call them to make the payment to avoid the CCJ being registered, after calling the court to find out if this was correct, the court advised that they had not got the CCJ and that I should keep the letter to use as evidence. I feel that the claimants letter is intimidating and is trying to take advantage of my position as a litigant in person. 22 The claimant failed to respond to the original AQ and had to have a court order to make them submit. 23 I as a litigant in person have done everything that was requested from me, in the time scale ordered by the courts, however, a large financial institution with the backing that is not afforded to myself has failed to comply on at least one occasion and has made a joke of the judicial system that they used. 24 If the court is in agreement then I respectfully request that this claim be struck out as the failure of a valid default notice means that the claim should never have been brought in front of a court in the first place. 25 Alternatively in the circumstances the court is invited to conclude that there are reasonable grounds to suppose that I will be able to successfully defend the Claimant’s claim at trial. Date: xx xxxx 2013 Statement of Truth I believe the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true
  9. Ok, I think i need to start the WS rolling now, only got about 3 weeks before it has to be in at the court and with Nelson Guest. please can someone advise me on what i should include (and how it should be written), i see that the small claims limit has been increased from April so do you think we could somehow now include the charges that were mentioned in an earlier post as they amount to over 6k inc interest?
  10. Many thanks Andy, just panicking as never had to go to court to defend a claim (and as it is mothers don't want to mess up).
  11. Hi yes i did use the defence offered, and the AQ was answered as follows: Mediation Settlement (Y), Location of Hearing (Y)(due to disability so requested local court), Track Small Claims (Y), Witness (0), Experts (No to all), Hearing (Y) put the date she cant do, and no to interpreter, Other information: Basically the same as the defence and listed all benefits and relevant dates of the benefits. Fee (N)
  12. If you get the chance please could someone take a look at the default notice on page 1 to see if there are any faults on there, the bit i saw that i am not sure about is this "What do i need to do to correct this? - You must pay us £xxx.xx by 17th September 2008 plus interest which is accruing daily, directly to your Lloyds TSB Branch. The due amount is based on the account balance today, receipt of any further debits or credit or a variation in the interest rate will result in amendment to the amount payable." Am i correct that a DN has to be specific in the amount payable to remedy, in which case by saying pay XXX plus interest and that basically an amendment to the amount due may happen they have gone against this? Just looking for any ammo i can find now to try and get this sorted thanks
  13. Here is a copy of the orders that have been sent, any advice on what my next move should be?
  14. Ok, update, this case has now been transfered to my mothers local court and she has a date of 9th April. I will scan a copy of the directions that were sent with the allocation paperwork. One thing i have just thought about, don't know if it will make any difference but in the claim they state the monies are owed under a credit agreement and account #xxxxx. As this was a bank account that went overdrawn then it's not a credit agreement is it? also the account number does not match the one that was on the account which is why it took a while to figure out which acc it was, the number changed on one of the letters that was sent when the account was first defaulted.
  15. Can anyone offer some advice, getting nowhere with BT. Basically we move to a village and decided to take BT for the phone and broadband as we knew the neighbours had them so assumed they would work. Since having our line installed on 21st Dec it has been one problem after another, first of all we couldn't get the broadband nor the phone working (dialling out), so after a couple of hours we disconnected the broadband and hey presto the phones worked, so called BT who after a lot of questions did a line test which came back fine but still no broadband our end. Booked a BT engineer thinking that if they came and sorted it everything would work out ok, but, engineer came, fitted a new master socket but said that the broadband was very weak in the village and he couldn't get a strong enough signal, off he goes and we cant make calls again, called BT again and they want to charge another £99 for another engineer to come and try to sort it out. Where do we stand legally if we wanted to cancel our contract as they cannot provide the broadband as promised, we will still keep them for the phone if it ever works!! but the broadband we need, and can get satellite broadband for a few quid more that will be a lot quicker. Thanks in advance
  16. OK the defence was filed online in the 5th Dec, then on 12th Dec my mother got a letter from Wescot saying that they had obtained a judgment and got a CCJ and she would be hearing from the court shortly and to avoid the CCJ being registered she should call and pay the judgment amount within xx days, thinking this was strange as the defence was in early i called the court and they confirmed that NO ccj had been registered and that wescot were just chancing their arm. Hopefully this will help go against them when the time comes!! Anyway we now have the AQ to fill in and file on or before 31st Dec??? please can someone give me an idea of what to put in each section and can i do this one online as there is no way it will be delivered to court before the date requested. Thanks
  17. Thats ok then, I made it the 4th the extra day or 2 will make a difference my end as can't get to internet too easy at the mo
  18. Thankyou very much for all your help, I will do as you suggest and keep everyone informed of any developments. Thankyou again
  19. Sorry, I think I only have a week left to get the defence in now, a ny ideas how we can just defend the claim and not make a counter claim for the time being, I think the best option now is going to be to just defend the £1300+ as she can't afford to pay that at all, then if it is still going then counter claim at a later date. She just wants it to go away now.
  20. Sorry, no, about £100 has been paid (already out of mothers acc back in 07) the rest £1100+ is what they are claiming but has not been paid. Sorry to confuse the issue
  21. Hi, thanks for your help, I have worked out the figures using the spread sheet that ims21 supplied, the figures are as follows: Total charges £3210, Compound Interest £2903.64, Total: £6113.64 that is using all the figures Lloyds sent to the original SAR in Oct 2007. I am having a hell of a job trying to figure out how much of their claim is money that hasn't been paid yet but i think it is around £100, we have some statements missing from the end of 2007. The account has been closed, they closed it a couple of years ago
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