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Nothing they can do, just speculating you might owe old extra on old bills when you were on the shed meter because now they can see you are using more on avg now, so must have then.

they cant backbill..end of.

stop talking on the phone.

when can you switch from them?

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It cant worsen anything

you dont owe the sum anyway, stop falling for their bs.

 

type in eon in our search red baNner top right and read their games!!

 

When could you switch?

 

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Why cant you switch now...

remove their options.

 

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and they can't use that revised final bill on another 'property' to stop it.

 

 

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switch as soon as you can remove eon's options over you.

 

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You wont but imho you are poss in danger of them either cutting you off or loading you smart meter with this debt and there is nowt to stop them.

though why have they not already done this? And weve not heard of other suppliers doing it either. And its not for the same property either.

 

Bgas are do ing fixed tariff till 2023 at a good rate.

 

you might not need  too i could be over cautious.

 

DX

 

 

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Sar is 30 days

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dont you bother reading the letters you send???

bit like not bothering to self help by reading like threads here as awell...???

 

 

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Simply ask them where it is

could still be in the post.

 

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going all the way back to post 1

 

surely they cant its against back billing rules.

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Should it also be time to mention the back billing rule might well play a part too now?  Or could that be seen as partial admittance to some owed  figure exists..??

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sorry but if you want anyone to understand that, least of all EON who seemed confused enough to date, thats totally unintelligible as to what you are trying to explain.

 

 

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  • BankFodder changed the title to E-ON presents a £3K+ bill for closed account
7 hours ago, autumn53 said:

3. Yes the address is of the Farm but the name is Mine.

you never owned that property.....

 

the meter number is not your present one...

 

the sum demanded is from dates outside of 12mts previous from the date on the bill..

 

you were £72.43 in credit from the period 13-06-2020 - 28-07-2020 on a bill dated 15/01/2021

 

your cottage used in 45 days 15KWHrs - that equates to 333W a day - thats not right, far too little

at night is 65W per night....not right either.

 

you could run your house on a car battery if thats true!

 

- need i go on 

 

you dont owe a penny to anyone and never did. 

 

 

 

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Arguing the BB rule is admittance you owe the bill but this trump's that .

 

The truth is it is not owed, the op paid fair usage for their property and should not be billed for chicken farm use. They did not own that. Eon put their name against the address.

 

Dx

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On 27/03/2022 at 17:23, Manxman in exile said:

Isn't it 14872 kwh at day rate over 45 days, which 333kwh per day, not 333 watts?

yes true, but a cottage will not be using 333KW a DAY!! 

 

On 18/12/2021 at 09:20, autumn53 said:

We bought this house back in Dec 2018.

 

On 18/12/2021 at 09:20, autumn53 said:

At the time we purchased the house, there was only one electric meter that supplied both properties (our house as well as the chicken farm next doors). This meter sat in the chicken farm. Neither E-ON nor we could record any actual readings.

 

On 18/12/2021 at 09:20, autumn53 said:

Therefore, we kept being charged an average of £58 by E-ON.

 

On 18/12/2021 at 09:20, autumn53 said:

on 27th July 2020, we had E-ON install our very own (smart) meter on our property

 

there are two ways to deal with this: 

1. eventually run this till it's conclusion replying with the back billing rules, you dont owe this and most certainly were NOT using 333KW per day!!

2. interrogate your smart meter, that will give you an avg use per day/week/month since its been fitted  (this info will also be on your log-in for the EON site. ) offer EON a sum commensurate per day from the day you moved in, till the day the smart meter was fitted.

 

i know what i'd do.

 

the danger you have here is EON could load your smart meter with the full debt, BUT it smacks to me they have NOT done this since 27-07-20 and know very well they are on dodgy ground if they do!! 

 

most probably they pulled your string to see if they can mug you as they cant get a hold of the chicken farms owner to try it on with them!!

 

no need for any further speculation or (un) intended confusing posts 

 

on the front of back billing,

its their (EON) mistake, the BB rules clearly state you cannot be responsible for any mistakes by a supplier under them.

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, dx100uk said:

there are two ways to deal with this: 

1. eventually run this till it's conclusion replying with the back billing rules, you dont owe this and most certainly were NOT using 333KW per day!!

2. interrogate your smart meter, that will give you an avg use per day/week/month since its been fitted  (this info will also be on your log-in for the EON site. ) offer EON a sum commensurate per day from the day you moved in, till the day the smart meter was fitted.

 

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And your smart meter daily usage?

 

 

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so real usage is about £250PCM whereby you were paying only £58PCM.

 

so they DO have a point ... you were paying £190PCM light from jan 2019 till july 2020 ...so 18*£190=£3420

 

but ... they didnt request this money (£3277) 21-12-2021 more than 18mts after your switch to a smart meter, back billing rules apply.

 

incidentally that equates to about 333KWh per week as above ...good guess work..wrong calc mind...:pound: 

you must have electric heating as thats 41kw a day? or 1.7kwh per hour.

 

 

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why doesnt the gas work well, 

explain we can help too.

 

blowers / electric heaters are cost eaters so that explains the high bills.

 

what do you do...

 

nothing sit on your hands, IMHO yours is not the next move.

 

just to keep upto date, what was your last comms with EON regarding owing the money? and when? by what method?

 

dx

 

 

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na that confirms it, they cant just say because you are supplied by the 'meter' elsewhere, you must be responsible for the sum.

and it's only by phone too so , utter rubbish.

 

i'd let this run.

 

if it gets silly, then we'll use the BB rules.

 

block their number on your phone

report the texts to spam at 7726 .

 

block and bounce their email AD too.

 

comeback if anything else happens.

 

sorry this had gone on to 100 posts now, 99% of them are worthless and immaterial confusion by all parties.

 

post 2 was correct good call by Bankfodder!!

 

dx

 

 

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2 hours ago, autumn53 said:

1. Its an old house with an old boiler.

have you tried the gov't boiler replacement scheme, you might well get one almost free.

 

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doesnt matter if it is them

block ignore.

 

eon doesnt go knocking they'd have to get a warrant 1st.

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its just automated rubbish no human involved.

 

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so what fake charges anyway.

just done to make you think its going up some kind of chain.

it's not.

 

 

dx

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