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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
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    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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I recently made a complaint to the BPA over that letter and this is their reply. :-

 

Thank you for your recent email to my colleague in which you raised a concern over a reference to the use of the Civil Procedure Rules by AOS member Roxburghe.

 

In your communication, you have quoted the Civil Procedures which states that the relevant parts 31.16 and 31.17 ‘do not apply to the Small-Claims track’. BPA agrees with this statement.

 

When I contacted the operator to obtain their views about your concerns, I have been assured that the statement exists in Roxburghe’s documentation for information only, advising recipients of the letter to seek proper legal advice, rather than relying on some popular internet sites. There is no implication at this point that the Civil Procedure Rules will be used of a certainty. I was also assured that any such cases which require use of the Civil Procedure Rules are sent through the County Court track, and as such the Civil Procedure Rules can be applied if necessary. I was also assured that this process is only applied when absolutely needed.

 

 

I leave you to draw your own conclusions !

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To quote someone from another parking forum:-

 

The general consensus is that it will be business as usual post this "keeper liability" coming in as the advice will still be to ignore and the PPC will still have to enforce in court. Therefore all the old obstacles to court enforcement, such as the invoice being an unlawful penalty, no contract being formed and particularly the recent VCS case ruling practically all PPC tickets unenforcable, will apply. The measure is only a right to claim against the keeper if the driver is not known, it is not legitimising PPC invoices in any way.

 

The keeper liability measure will only come in when an "independent" appeals mechansism run by the BPA is set up. Naturally no-one expects such a service to be independent. However it will allow motorists another avenue if they so choose and then the PPC will not be able to enforce anyway unless they go to court. Overall very little will change, despite the spin that will be evident from the BPA and assorted PPCs.

 

And:-

 

For a start, this goes right up against the principle of privity, i.e. that a third party cannot be held to a contract he had no part it. This has yet to be tested in court, and it's not likely to happen soon (or even soon after the law comes in later in the year).

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