Box Junction PCN - New Kings Road j/w Bagleys Lane

[crem]

.... unless they do have a photo of you IN the box AND that stop in the box is contrary to the HC guidance,.

 

ForestChav please lets not do the thread on people being in contravention of HIGHWAY CODE GUIDANCE again!

 

The contravention would be contrary to the TSRGD regs section 10(1) and 29(2) as shown below HC rule 174

 

 

 

 

174

 

Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see 'Road markings'). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.

 

(Law TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2))

[crem]

There should be some information on the PCN advising how you may view the CCTV footage which you can do before paying or challenging the PCN.

[crem]

Learn to read. For someone who is such a nit picker I'm surprised you can't. In the second post on this thread, I said the contravention is stopping in a box junction when your exit road is not clear and your movement is not blocked by oncoming traffic. You have taken that sentence completely out of context, making you look like an idiot.

 

except the offence IS NOT "stopping in a box junction". The offence is more correctly as stated by G&M. "ENTERING and STOPPING in a box junction".

 

i.e. the offence only occurs if your exit is not free PRIOR to you entering the box. So if you enter the box with your exit clear, and something occurs beyond your control which now blocks your exit forcing you to stop within the box, then no offence has occurred.

[crem]

Which is exactly what I said it was. It's stopping a box junction when your exit is not clear and no oncoming traffic is preventing you from leaving. You can't stop in it without entering.

 

.. but you can ENTER the box when your exit is clear, and then be prevented from leaving because something now occurs AFTER you have ENTERED the box causing you to STOP WITHIN THE BOX which means no contravention occurred.

[crem]

Regardless of the intricacies of what the actual offence is,

urmm, I think it is extremely relevant what the actual offence is, don't you?

or what should be on a PCN, or anything else which isn't relevant only for the purposes of being pedantic (yeah, they're not exactly the same, but how relevant really is that when we don't even know if he did break the law)

once again ForestChav, like on the last thread when you accused us of being pedantic, we are not. We are trying to be accurate with the law and advise accordingly.

, he needs advising whether or not to appeal.

perhaps we could all get to that point quicker if you stop misquoting the law

The photo didn't help show any entering or stopping in a box - a single still wouldn't show this anyway - he can't recall doing it, there's probably more supporting evidence,

as several of us have already stated, there WILL be further evidence available, i.e. the CCTV footage

they usually allow you to see it if there is, which is exactly what I would do.

hence my post at #9 advising the council should have advised how he may view the CCTV footage. Some councils make the CCTV available on-line, others he may have to visit the council office to view

Anything else really isn't helpful...

I'm glad you finally realise that ForestChav

 

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[crem]

You and crem decided to turn it into two pages of waffle by nitpicking on the exact wording of box junction violations

 

you mean more the case that it became 2 pages long because you once again misquote law which can be nothing but misleading, then refuse to be corrected. We all make mistakes within this forum, that is why all posts are in the open forum so everyone can see them, and point out when we make a mistake from which we can learn.

 

We are all learning on here every day by reading good posts and adding them to our own knowledge. Please feel free to do the same.

[crem]

Without the benefit fo the arial view from the camera, I am not sure that the OP at the point of the first photo at 27sec, could have had any way of knowing that the traffic in front of him, which clearly was moving, would come to a stop preventing him from clearly the box. I also agree with BTB that, should it have happened to me, my reaction would have been to move into the (clear) inside lane, however, the bike and car passing on the nearside prevented the OP from carrying out that manouvre.