192.com people finder

[skaatiii]

Thought Id throw my hat in....

 

Where do 192.com stand regarding the European Directive 95/46/EC (the Data Protection Directive) which states that data can only be processed when

 

'The data subject has unambiguously given his consent.'

 

I want all of my data removed and having researched this via DPA etc find that this is really the only relevant legislation to demand full removal

 

Any thoughts?

 

PS Sorry if im duplicating - I think i've read all of the posts but may have missed one

[buzby]

Only relevant if you believe Google Search are 'processing' data. (Along with all the others). So far, they haven't been and I doubt they will, as aggregators that do not modify the data - which is what differentiates 192 et al from (say) a CRA who do use external data, but to embellish their own databases.

[geriann]

how can i get my details off 192.com, 123people.co.uk and other similar websites?

[citizenB]

Hi,

You can have your entries removed from 192.com electoral roll entries:

 

 

 

Customer Services, i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd. Units 8-10 Quayside Lodge, William Morris Way, London, SW6 2UZ.

 

If, after telling these leeches to remove your details, you see them still listed write to them and inform them politely you have reported them to the Information Commissioner for breach of the Data Protection Act. They won't be able to remove your detals fast enough. You will, of course, have told printed off the evidence and sent that letter to the commissioner.

 

how can i get my details off 192.com, 123people.co.uk and other similar websites?

 

geriann, if you read through the posts from the beginning there should be ideas and even a draft letter that you could utilise in order to help you get your name removed from these sites

[Queens_king]

I have registered with the TPS and they will do something about it provided that you have not had any agreements or transactions with the company or any of that companies sister/associated companies. Just go back to the website and you will find the link to download the complaints form.

[speedfreek]

You really do not know who has what and where?

 

I banged my address into a few home insurance comparison sites. Plus a few specific ones for differing quotes.

 

Used David Cameron for a name and those which wouldn't let me proceed without one gave Parliaments telephone number.

 

That was late Sept early Oct. Had my 1st call for Dave on my home telephone number Thursday

[geriann]

thanks guys:-)

[rockwell304]

I assumed I had successfully removed my person details, directors report etc some months ago from this site via a combination of their COI form, a telephone call to a stroppy ignorant employee and a request under the DPA.

 

How wrong I was! I now discover they are at it again! This is despite ticking the appropriate remove me box in the electoral roll. I have also been careful in providing personal details to anyone not legally entitled.

 

I have just emailed the scumbags and advised them I have drafted a complaint to the ICO, with a copy to my MP. I was wondering if there are any definitive measures I could take to ensure permanent removal. I am seriously p####d off with these morons!

[lenny100]

i like a copy of the email as i found out that i am back again also, that's it had enough **** last time with the police involved etc.

[rockwell304]

Lenny, I used the email on their site........ I'll give them 24 hours to respond then get a letter off to them.

I would like to know what measures can be taken to ensure they comply. The last occasion this happened they informed me my details would reappear as the info was in the public domain......not good enough!!

[rockwell304]

I have received a response from these leeches stating they would remove my details but as they update systems every 4 weeks I will in all probability be listed again! particularly via a directors report including age, address, telephone number etc. I am happy for anybody to check my company, this information is in the public domain. However, they are not listing my company name, they are listing my personal details!

 

Is there any definitive course of action under the DPA to stop these people?

[hillards]

Is there any definitive course of action under the DPA to stop these people?

Send Guy Fawkes round ?

 

Once you've asked for your personal details to be removed then they should stay removed, just like making your phone ex-directory or joining TPS. I can't see how they keep getting away with this behaviour of putting entries back on.

[count orlok]

I am having difficulties working this site out (192.com); I don't wish to pay money to find out if I'm listed. I entered my name into the search and I was there, right age, but not all the details shown are correct.

 

My addy and phone number are hidden from the free search and the details are from the 2002 - 07 register of electors. The people shown as sharing my address did in 2007 but do not now and I no longer live at this address. Does this mean they do not have up to date info on me?

 

All those that need to, know my correct details, and I am quite happy for others to know the wrong details. I certainly am not contacting them with the correct details. I noticed others with similar name to me have details from more recent registers.

 

What does all this mean? Other than the odd wrong number and the accasional unwanted call from overseas with news on "government schemes" to rid one of debt, I get no unwanted calls. I want it to stay that way.

[lenny100]

got my mp on the job he is far from happy, and a frend of mine from northern ireland has got his mp on the case also as his details are all there also and he is ex forces, a big no no in that area

[WhatALife]

I filled in a form and had my details removed from 192.com along with company details and directors report. A few weeks later and my details are back on again

[lenny100]

they seem to reaper every 16 weeks no mater how many time you tell them to take off, is now beyond a joke they need stopping all together but the authority don't seem to be able or willing to do anything, just accepting their statements that all this info is already in the public domain and they just publish it in one place!!

[geriann]

i've downloade the form to take my details of 192.com and emailed 123people toask how to take my details off thier site.

[goaman]

I've searched a few of those sites, and I'm listed at an address I left 7 years ago. Depending on which site, on one I was missing a son, and at another, I had 2 complete strangers living with me but no wife or kids! Better to let that sort of cr@p be. I neither have a home in the UK, nor am I living there.

Edited April 24, 2011 by goaman

[teaboy2]

Well just found out that I too am on their despite being on the edited electoral roll. Have sent them an email via their contact us page, so can fire of a CO1 and a section 10, 11 and 12 to block processing in regards to direct marketing i.e. selling your data to other companies for marketing purposes e.g sales calls and 12 which refers to automated data decisions i.e reason why a lot of you have your data reappearing on 192.com. I shall make it clear that if my details or that of my mothers reappear on their site at anytime in the future without my expressed personal permission to them to process my data, then i will sue them under Section, 13 and 14. and for breaches of section 10, 11 and 12 notices.

 

Noted the info is also in accurate as it lists my mothers name twice, indicating two people of same name live at my address, and it also lists my brothers name who moved out 2 years ago and now is married and lives with his wife at a completely different address and town.

 

Those of you that had your data reentered on their site should reword a section 10 request to include section 12 and 12A. Section 12 for automated data decisions i.e. entering/reentered your data via an automatic process (such as daily auto updates from OSIS etc) and 12a for manual data decisions i.e entering/reentered your data manually. In other words, your section 10 request should make it clear they are not to process your data automatically or manually at any future date without your permission as per section 12 and 12a of the said Act.

 

So lets see whether they are in the mood to play with me, as i really would love for them to breach my request so i can take them to the high court and set a precedent for them and all other companies showing peoples data to the whole world for all to see without permission to even be processing it.

 

I do not appreciate any company processing my data and making it public without my written consent as required by law first. So i shall also be expecting them to supply me with the contact details for companies and authorities/organizations that they got any data pertaining to be mine from. I shall then be sending them similar letters as well.

[sillygirl1]

They have my details wrong and won't correct them as I can't give them the dates of birth of the people THEY have connected to me. I am seriously looking at doing a specific data request detailing what I want... the EXACT information source which led them to believe some people were at my address when I was there on my own.

 

I have decided to leave Experian alone as most of the 'junk' will be gone in October and then I can start dealing (or not) with the reside. Most of the junk is near the 6 year mark - I think these sites should be HEAVILY regulated and be MADE to send you the information BEFORE they list it - would stop a lot of problems in their tracks - but the whole 'industry' of credit rating think they are above the law (as are the DCAs).

 

Rant over for today.

[teaboy2]

Just An Additional Point: (Only Applies if they are still showing peoples credit rating etc)

 

As 192.com are providing data such in connection with credit reference/worthiness for enabling companies to use them for credit reference purposes, tracing debtors (there acting as a debt tracing service). Am i right in thinking they would need a credit license.. Oh i think they do according because according to the OFT if you engage in provision of credit information (such as providing rating/worthiness etc) including credit repair and excluding credit repair. According to their website no license number shows and according to the public register, they do not have one. Though I-CD Publishing UK limted did have one but unfortunately for them it Lapsed on 02/04/2005

 

So that's something for you guys to think about also.

 

@Silly girl

 

Under a section 10 notice they have to remove all data pertaining to you such as your name and address, report them to the ICO as their refusal to remove peoples names connected to your address when they are not, simply because you do not know their dates of birth (when you can not possibly know a strangers date of birth) is ludicrous to say the least, and leaves you open to be the victim of harassment phone calls from DCA and people looking for the unknown named persons. So inform 192.com if they do not remove the unknown named persons connected to your data (and your name and address forthwith) you will report their failure to the ICO immediately.

[teaboy2]

Right i sent the following email and Section 10 notice to Feedback@192.com along with CO1 Form.

 

Email

 

Thank you.

 

Attached is a completed CO1 File. Also Attached is a Section 10 Notice which is a statutory Legal notice under the Data Protection Act 1998, requesting your cease processing my data and remove/delete all data pertaining to me from your database/data processing systems. This notice also includes reference to section 12 - automated data decisions, which means you may not in future by use of automated data system process, such as OSIS updates, re-apply any data pertaining to myself on your system or database and the same for Manual data decisions i.e no reapplying my data manual either.

 

Also their is mention of section 11, where i prohibit you from sharing/selling my data or any data pertaining to me for direct marketing purposes, such as Marketing Companies, Credit Providers, Debt Collection/management Companies, or any company that may seek to contact myself for marketing purposes.

 

Also as you have no credit license (Though I-CD Publishing UK limited did have one but unfortunately for you it Lapsed on 02/04/2005) then you are not to provide any data pertaining to my credit worthiness/rating, or provide my data to Creditors, Debt Collectors our issue data to them from your specialist tracing product. In others words as per the Data Protection ACT 1998 you do not, nor did you ever have my permission expressed or implied, to process my data. And do not give me that crap about my data being sourced from the public domain or the only data we use is what is already available in the public domain, as 99% of companies or persons that made such data public themselves have never had my permission to process such data.

 

And as for your seond email sent to me just now titled “Would you like to try 192.com for free”. Sorry but where on the contacts us page does it say i agreed for you to add my email address to your marketing list. Also at the bottom of the email it says the following:

 

 

You have received this message because you're a registered user of 192.com, registered with the email address: removed ="account@support.192.com"]account@support.192.com[/email] to your address book or trusted-sender list.

You what “Registered User” how the flaming hell does using you contact us page make me a Registered user? Well it doesn’t as i never signed up to be a registered user, i merely sent an email. Which has resulted in you processing my email address by adding it to you database/marketing list, without... Yeah you guessed it, without my flaming permission. “Trusted-sender list” talk about rubbing it in futher, you seel peoples data to anyone that has the money to buy it, such data would no doubt now have my email address added to my phone number, name, address, data of a birth, and if you still do it, my credit worthiness. Yeah trusted sender list where you can trust us to sell your data on without giving a **** about whether we have your permission to process it, is more like it.

You may laugh at my response, but them i am a humorous kind of guy, but their is a serious message here. Ignore my formal legal request at your peril, because if you mess with, then i have the financial power and mentality to take you to the high courts (supreme court if you decide to appeal upon defeat in the high court), and i will succeed and set a legal precedent that will make it clear that you can not process peoples data without asking them first, and you can not rely on them having to opt out after you have already started processing their data and made it public without their consent, as such consent is need prior to processing such data as per the Data protection act 1998. So such a legal precedent being set would mean the end of you publishing info online and processing peoples data without consent. And do not give me the Electoral Roll crap either, as i opted for the edited version so my name and address etc does not show on the Electoral Roll.

Yours Sincerely and Without Prejudice

 

Teaboy2

 

P.s. Do not even think about lifting my signature and providing to anyone, as its not my standard signature. So if i see it, i will no where came from.. You!

 

Section 10 Letter includes mention on s11, 12 and 12a.

 

192.com Ltd

Unit 8 Quayside Lodge,

William Morris Way,

London

SW6 2UZ

Date 03/05/2011

Dear Sir/Madam

 

STATUTORY NOTICE UNDER S10 DATA PROTECTION ACT 1998

 

Having found my personal data on public showing to the whole wide world, on your website 192.com

At NO time have I given my written permission for you or your company to process my data

 

Therefore Take Notice that I require that you cease from processing within 14 days of the receipt by you of this notice and that you do not begin to process any personal data of which I am the subject insofar as that processing involves the communication or passing of personal data of which I am the subject to any third party including the public domain.

This Notice is given on the grounds that the processing or continued processing by you of the said data will be likely to affect my credit rating and my reputation and cause substantial damage and/or substantial distress to me and my family member, as you publication of such detailed personal data increase the chance of ID theft, Fraud and possible serious criminal offenses being committed against myself or members of my family. In addition to that which may already have been caused and that as the processing of the said data in the way referred to in this notice would violate the fourth, first and sixth principles of The Data Protection Act 1998, where to do so would be unwarranted.

 

Failure to remove ALL my data from your databases and from ALL 3rd parties (by reasonable attempt to do so) that you, without my consent sold, shared, or distributed my data too, will result in a formal complaint to the Information Commissioners’ Office.

Note under section 12 Automated Decisions and 12A Manual decisions: You are hereby denied permission to re-apply any data pertaining to myself by automated/manual process and/or decisions (For example: OSIS Daily/weekly/monthly updates etc) on any date that post-dates the date on this Notice. Any such data is to be deleted from your systems immediately, and not published to public domain.

Note that under Section 11: I hereby also deny you permission to process, sell, share, or publish any data pertaining to myself for direct marketing purposes. Such as adding my email address that I used on your contact us form to your email marketing list, when you did not make any attempt to inform me prior to submitting my email to you that it would be added or asked me if I wanted it to be added, and therefore you processed my data (email address) without my permission.

In other words, I deny you of any/all permission you thought you had to process my data either expressed or implied. As such, all data pertaining to myself is to be deleted; Such as Name, Address, Phone Numbers, Date of birth and everything else.

As I am also acting on my mother’s (Teaboy2's Mum) behalf, then the above also applies to all data you have for her, which is also to be deleted.

As for my brother’s name (Teaboy2's Bro) showing as being at the same address, well that is incorrect and he’s not lived here for over 2 years. As such his name should be removed also, therefore you have no reason to keep the address showing on the false assumption that my brother still lives here. And do not give me the “We need his date of birth” rubbish that you have given others as that will not wash with me. And besides, without my brother’s permission the Data Protection Act prevents me from giving you his date of birth therefore you have no right to request it from me. But if you refuse to remove the address as a result of refusing to remove my brother’s name, then not only will I sue for breach of Data Protection Act 1998, but as your records are incorrect and potentially damaging to me or my mother, I will also sue you for detriment.

Mine and my mother’s address is the same as my business address found in the footer of this notice.

Yours faithfully and without prejudice

Teaboy2

Proprietor

Teaboy2's Company

 

Yeah went into a bit of a rant in them, especially the email, but hey the checky buggers added my email address that i had to enter in their contact us form on their website, to they dam Email Marketing List, without asking me if they could and without providing notice that they would both prior and after submitting my message to them. Plus they say i only receiving the junk email because am a registered user. Funny that cos i never bloody registered with them and never have been.

 

Anyway use the section 10 letter if you like guys, will post up their response when i get it. And yes i am incensed that they have published such sensitive information about me on the world wide web without my consent for them to even be processing my data.

Edited May 16, 2011 by cerberusalert

[teaboy2]

UPDATE:

 

Did not receive a response from 192.com as yet, but all data pertaining to myself and family etc seems to have been fully removed. Put it this way it no longer shows on the search results, though i will continue to keep checking every couple of weeks to make sure it doesn't reappear.

[cerberusalert]

email removed

[teaboy2]

Cheers cerberusalert