Transport police

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My thoughts are with the poor unfortunate passenger who would have to sit on a seat that had had someone else's feet on it. BUT YOU SIT ON A SEAT THATS HAD SOMEONE ELSES AR$E ON IT

God knows what a person has trodden on beforehand?!...

 

Zero tolerance is what is needed with the youth of today!

A total disrespect + lack of concern for other people is endemic in modern society.

I believe that the fault firmly lies on the shoulders of the parents.

It is all too easy to blame teachers or the government.

 

In a case like this, it is simply BAD MANNERS. HMM YEAH WHEN HAS BAD MANNERS BEEN A CRIMINAL OFFENCE DESERVING OF THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE LAW BEING USED? . OH PLEASE

The person involved deserves having the full weight of the law thrown against him, to serve as an deterrent to others...

 

If not, what would it be the NEXT time??

Grafitti??...Vandalism??...Fare Dodging??...or EVEN WORSE??

Perhaps the shock of a conviction would nip his anti-social activity in the bud, before it escalates further?!

It could actually be beneficial to him in the long term!!...

 

Come on MTM, this isn't very helpful now is it. the fact is yeah the lad had his feet on a chair, but he suffers from arthritis and put his feet up possibly to alleviate the pain he is probably a very nice lad and i dont see any reference to this boy being a persistent pain or repeat offender

 

i dont disagree with you that society has gone soft but there must be proportionality with things, if this guy had mugged an old lady or committed an wanton act of criminal damage then yes the full weight of the law should be used but hey he put his foot up on a chair

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pen,

 

i will ponder this over the weekend and see what i can come up with, i will reread this thread in the morning as im a little tired so i will see what i can suggest then

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its still an offence in england to eat a mince pie on Christmas day too there are many absurd laws in england

 

the law should be applied proportionately too so the punishment should fit the crime

 

however, if there is a defence available to this lad he has the right to use it to defend himself

 

there is a principle in English law of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty before a court of law

 

it is my contention that if there is a defence available to this boy he should be entitled to it and therefore i will if possible to do so help him

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Hi Pen

 

my sincere appologies for not getting back sooner, when ever i seem to plan something, something comes along and blows my plans out of the water

 

i have to be honest and say i havent even had a chance to fully reread the thread so im gonna have to take a look in the morning now. thats as long as i dont get collared into other things

 

 

regards

paul

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Hi pen,

 

the closed hearing will be recorded, very much like a DJ in chambers for small claims cases so there will be a record of all matters stated in the court

 

you need to see if the cheque has been cashed for sure as it will be helpful to know one way or the other.

 

im concerned as to the fact that this hearing on the 15th hasnt been notified by the court. i would certainly suggest contacting the court and checking with them as you have not received any notification of hearing. it may be the case that the form merely has been lost int he post as courts only use 1st class standard post so its in the hands of the postie:eek:

 

i will have a chat with someone who i know should be able to help and i will come back to you

 

the main thing is at this stage to check with the court as to whats going on with regards the 15th

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Hi Paul,

 

Please dont tell me this was actually law. It is so stupid, scuse me while l scoff the mince pies, I have heard of sum allerged laws but this one must have been made buy some who hates mince pies.

 

Chrissi

 

yes it is actually law, it comes from the days of cromwell

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Dave, I couldnt have put it better my self ,

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Pen.

 

I am glad the outcome was favourable towards your son.

 

They should now be apologising to you and your son for the problems they have caused let alone faking or attempting to fake a court document.

 

I also have had some laughs reading this thread especailly the stupid laws.

 

Good luck with your other battles.

 

Chrissi

 

yep like it being against the law to eat mince pies on christmas day:lol:

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Wow Dave! Very True! That is exactly the problem now - its all gone too far .....

- last weekend a friend was collecting my Daughter and was having a small natter in my hall the door 1/2 open - when she got out the "parking ambasadors" as we call them in Salisbury (well I actually call them another unprintable name!!) gave my friend a parking ticket that pointed out that she was in a parking permit zone and on a yellow line....well you can park outside our house for up to 2 hrs and as for the yellow line it wore out months ago and there is NO YELLOW LINE! But she paid the fine immediately! she must be MAD! If the markings are not clear, then without going into tooo much detail here, the case of Davis and Heatley in the high court ruled that the markings must be clear, if they are not then there should not be a penalty charge

 

further more if you can produce proof that the lines do not comply with the TSRGD 2002 you may be able to push the council to reimburse you under the ruling in the case of Woolwich equitable building society -V - inland revenue as this case sets out where a fine is paid where there is no basis in law to enforce it then you are entitled to restitution

 

We also got a ticket for parking across our own gates the weekend before it was 0910 on a Saturday morning! At the moment they are patrolling our quiet road all day, every day, and on that Saturday were going at it two at a time one on each side of the road!

Not very long ago they would have knocked on our door and said you had better move - but now they are intent on enforcing the law - or is that collecting the revenue? -

BUT when the yob kids near by kicked a hole in our fence and I took a photo of them , and the shop nearby had a good picture of the kids on their cctv we were told it was not in the public interest to prosecute them!!!!

BUT obviously criminal types like Pens' son really do need to be taught a lesson! That is in the public interest as they make £30 out of him/Pen.

It makes me MAD Keep thinking of moving abroad to try and find life like it was a few years ago when we were a free country.....

 

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Why did you get a ticket for parking across your own gates. Was the ticket for obstruction?

You cant obstruct your own property can you

the simple answer is yes