Thank you dcahater76 for your information i have requested through the SAr for the information.
The matter was escalated to Milton Keynes which i believe is a major dip centre . They just started taking the money off us through our benefits without any paperwork
it was only after having no success with phone calls we put it into writing then after long wait and chasing 4 months they write for our permission to investigate it, they responded to say they had signed documents from us to say about them they did say they had written with enclosed proof but no such letter arrived.
After chasing a response they said that they had the proof and as such would be perusing continuation of recovering the money. They did however say that they had not dealt with our situation over the past 25 years and apologised very well and put it down to resources and other things happening.
I have done a lot of info looking today and have found out that if they can't recover they put it into debt collection agencies to get it we had none of that nor any communication rom them. in addition the official receiver would have also been in contact with them.
there is a lot wrong with the way our situation has been dealt with and im sure many others but one department doesn't answer for all there you go around the houses and get nowhere. we don't even know the full amount
I am determine to fight this but they are bigger than me so will have a fight on my hands. they are deducting so much per week and it will take around 3 years to pay back.
thanks to everyone for their comments all are most welcome