This was the first time I've ever gotten a claim form,

the only previous one back in 2020 was lost in the post I simply never received it.

I should've put a reminder in my phone calendar on this one to remind me of that defence date, 19 days later or whatever, I'd completely forgotten about that date tbh.

I still have an ongoing one on here in London, E3 - let's hope I have more success with that one!

Regards

Ok noted about the screenshot uploads.

In terms of screwing up

I had one previous ticket that defaulted and ended up in a CCJ from Southend airport because for some reason during COVID I didn't receive their claim form just a notice of default.

This hospital ticket was the 2nd ticket that went to CCJ due to a lack of knowledge of the process.

Maybe it's easier just to pay them in future I'm thinking though, I don't get them very often anyway

Yeah I figured, unlikely I'll need credit anyway mortgage all paid off etc so I'll take that on the chin and learn from the experience. Probably would've beaten that too had I remembered the protocol, first time ever going through the process though sob it wasn't familiar to me 

Oh well

Is that a CCJ then because I missed the defence deadline?

What's this set aside mean?

oh no just logged in and it says a judgment was issued literally 2 hours ago!

Claim History
Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 02/04/2024 at 10:36:44
Your acknowledgment of service was received on 02/04/2024 at 14: 05: 15
A judgment was issued against you on 29/04/2024 at 19:07:08

Ok you don't have to print it off, you can submit it online? Let me look again

actually dx shall I add in the no PAPLOC into the defence as well since no LBC was ever sent only a claim form?

Ok

I've done my defence and printed it out ready to post first thing tomorrow to the court,

see attached pdf for my generic defence copied from sticky

obviously with my reg not left in on the defence form.

This defence is relevant in my case since I was there 90 seconds so couldn't possibly have entered into a contract right?

Regards

1. Defence
1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of xxxxxx
2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant.
3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC),
any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide
car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own
account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that
the Claimant has authority to bring this claim.
4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant.
5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer.
6. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief
claimed or any relief at all.
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ok let me try

Oh shoot i didn't!

I've not been through this process before and had completely forgotten the 19 days rule etc from the forum sticky,

what happens now then? 

Ok fair enough I didn't know that, I'll hold onto stuff going forward

Yes I only contacted you on this hospital charge at the claim form stage, I'd discarded the NTK months ago thinking they'd dropped it. In future I'll hold onto any NTK for much longer, although a year is a fair while, until it's obvious it's been dropped

Right that's exactly why so many drivers got caught, it had been that way for many years then suddenly changes with no warning

Right would that be grounds for a dismissal right there then, 90 seconds?!

Lookingforinfo - you're getting crossed wires buddy, we're in the hospital thread here, the ICO complaint was my other appeal the Locton estate one

Regards

I'll dig through their documentation see if I can find it, if needs be could I request a copy from the PPC since they seem to want to take it to court?

Actually looking at the original post of mine in this thread it appears that I didn't retain any of their original NTK docs etc as I thought they'd dropped the charge since I hadn't heard anything on this in over a year.

I obtained the original from my company who is the hirer and then whatever came through from the SAR recently, but I've got all documentation and I'll put it in order and post it all up including my letters etc

No they must've redacted the contract, that was like that when I received it.

Yes correct I was there for 90 seconds! 

Yes I uploaded the whole contents of their response to my CPR31.14, which included the original PCN 

No the ICO complaint was definitely this one,

I hadn't had any correspondence from the St Thomas's hospital one in almost a year and then out of the blue a claim form hit the doormat that was it on that one!

I sent an SAR on this one back in December to which they completely ignored it and just sent another threatening letter in March asking for payment hence the ICO complaint

Quote

"You have made so much extra work for yourself in your WS if they decide to push their luck. though."

Sorry what's this WS referring to? Also who's Alliance? The PPC is NPE. 

Lookingforinfo

you said I had an ironclad case without the documents.

I just sent an SAR that they initially ignored (before I was in contact with you guys foolishly on this one).

After ignoring my SAR in Dec they made another request for payment in March  I threatened them with the ICO for the GDPR breach re the SAR. 

I'll take the time to put all their letters & my letters in chronological order today so you can see how it's progressed.

I'm pretty sure I've uploaded them all though although not all together in one flow, I'll do that later

Regards

Ok thank you

Is there anything else I need to do on this at this time,

they've responded to my CPR 31.14 that I've uploaded here,

logged into the bulk court website with the intention to defend all,

so what happens next?

Regards

Ok thanks for that, well spotted and all duly noted.

Yes they did eventually submit those docs to me after a second letter advising them I was contacting the ICO to make a formal complaint for failing to comply with an earlier SAR that they brushed off as an "administrative error" or something.

When I sent the letter telling them I was in contact with the information commissioner to lodge the complaint, the original PCN etc quickly followed along with their excuse!

Thanks FTMDave, I like the cut of your jib - I'll go with that and obtain proof of postage.

Encouraging that NPE have never followed through and seem to blowing hot air, let's see where they go after this

Regards

Ok thanks

Ok lookinforinfo, here's the original notice to hirer with dates/times left in

2022-11-25 NPC PCN NTH.pdf

Can you drop me a link to make a donation to the site please folks

The paploc is from the PPC not their solicitors, see attached

I search the site for national parking enforcement snotty letter? 

Regards

2024-04-03 NPE PAPLOC.pdf

Interesting. Ok so everything they sent in response to my CPR request was part of that attached PDF, there were no other documents. I'll re-upload the original PCN from their response pack and leave dates and times in this time.