I guess I should have then asked how long do you have to declare a ban for on your insurance?

Thank you for your quick response, I guess I will wait for the letter to arrive first and see what’s written on it.. if like you say it will be 2 officers word which will be sufficient enough then I guess I will have to take the 6 month ban as it won’t leave me any other choice. Quick question - What happens to your points after the 6month ban? Do they get halved or completely removed or? It’s unfortunate but I guess it was meant for me so other than taking it on the chin nothing else left to do about it Thank You

The officers who stopped me where literally finding any excuse to get me done for, they at one point even said "Shall we do a search" leading to believe I could have drugs in the car! They where literally throwing accusations around about phone use, swerving while driving thinking I may even have been drunk and then car with no tax or insurance on the mid. Regardless of what I was going to say to them they would still have found a way to write me a ticket for anything. Even if I had said to them at the time the text was sent using google assistant and the phone is on the seat with the satnav on to get me home with the phone connected to bluetooth to the cars radio, I dont think they would have accepted any of it either way. 1 officer was driving and the other in the passenger seat so its not possible they both saw me sending a text message regardless and ofcourse the officers will just side with each other no doubt there but is it purely based on my story against theirs or will the judge ask for some kind of prove to show I was guilty? The way I look at it is the officers assumed I may have drugs etc and therefore pulled me over to do their checks on the car etc. There's no proof of me being on the phone even when they had the bodycam on and asked me what im being stopped for I replied back with Possibly for no insurance then when he said no you where on the phone, I replied back with no I have the satnav up on the phone but the phones on the seat as you can see. I am taking a wild guess on them having any footage of me actually using the phone so it is pretty much their word against mine. I could argue in court the officers kept throwing accusations out for dangerous driving then phone use and then car with no insurance and tax and I panicked wondering whats actually going on here as im fully legal to drive the car etc as I already proved to them... Even when I did prove the insurance etc they still insisted on impounding the car as the plates where expired 2 months ago (silly me has forgot to renew them) however I did tell them I can put fresh tax on the car straight away before I drive off again which for some reason they didn't want to accept as well but then they let the car go based on it having "previous tax on the system"? I think it will all come down to phone use however my argument is the text was sent handsfree and if theres any evidence with their camera etc to prove they saw me on the phone then show it..Which would be near impossible as the windows are tinted black on the front and im dark skinned with a black jacket so you definitely cant see my hands etc in the dark if I was on the phone. Will the judge side with them based on them "both" seeing me with the phone or will the judge expect some actual proof of the phone in my hand? Thank you for the feedback I appreciate it. Not to mention I already have 6 points (Wrong place wrong time). 3 for towing a trailer in the overtake lane when I first started using the trailer which I didnt know of 3 for speeding +7mph over the speed limit, learnt my lesson for them both but if I now get 6 for being on the phone I will be on a ban which i really cant deal with it. True when they say at times bad luck comes to your door step

Hello I got pulled on the motorway m62 with the undercover police (2 of them) on the overtake lane they asked me why they stopped me, which i said maybe for no insurance (trader using trade plates car not on the mid) they insisted I was using my phone whilst driving with my thumb pressing the touch etc which I said no I wasn't and my phone is on the passenger seat. Now I did send a text using Google assistant which is all handsfree therefore I wasn't physically using the phone but they insisted they saw me using it. I know they wouldn't have any proof of me using it but how would it go about in court as it seems to be my word against there's. Not only did they accuse me of the phone, they also wanted to search my car along with checking my insurance and road tax and nearly impounding the car as the tax expired I told then I didn't realise and can do the tax straight away to prevent the car being towed away, they just seemed like they weren't having it and wanted to accuse me of something (anything they could find). They decided at the end to let me go back on my way and drive the car and get the tax done "as soon as possible" whereas before they where going to impound it. I did show my phones messages and indeed there was a text sent 2 minutes before being pulled, my argument to that is that it was done handsfree. going by them not having actual proof of me driving with my phone (windows where tinted black, its a auction car, I am aware that's illegal in itself and the tint will be removed) and it was dark at night in the hours of 9pm, there was definitely no chance of them having a picture of me with a phone in my hand. there was 2 officers with the same story however my story is the text was done handsfree. How would this go about in court? I am definitely not looking forward to 6 points and would rather fight my case. Thank you.

Okay thats perfect thats what I wanted to know. I will just ring them up next few days and ask if they have received my reply yet or not. Not much else i can do Thank you very much.

You are not getting what im asking. As much as they can ask me to prove I sent the NIP out. The same I can ask them to prove they sent the NIP out to me. Letters can easily be lost in the post especially with corona virus and royal mail delays therefore it cant be my fault the letter didnt get to me can it? Its their word against mine therefore surely they cant accuse you for something they dont have proof of.

And can they prove to me they sent the NIP to me? Im guessing they should have received my NIP by now but I cant really call them to ask as then they will have it on record that I called up and confirmed I sent a reply back to them which will in a way give them proof they sent a NIP out to me and I received it therefore which then leaves me having to prove I didnt receive he NIP? Guess I will just have to wait and wait until my brother gets a letter or I receive another letter from them.... Thanks.

Nope meaning? Because im also thinking about my situation where my brother was caught speeding with a car in my name which I sold to him but didn't bother to change the registered keeper as would save adding a new keeper on the car especially we live in the same house anyway. Then I received a letter for speeding which was him and sent the NIP in his name unfortunately not recorded delivery! (My mistake) now im waiting on the next step however I don't want them to accuse me of failing to identify the driver as well because then it would be a sticky situation where I would have to prove I sent the letter off which I wont be able to do... Therefore I was thinking to get out of it... Instead of saying I sent the letter off.. I can say I didn't get the letter in the first place to send off and if they have proof to show me they sent the letter to my address in the first place? End of the day anyone can say they sent the letter but if there's no proof then possibly I can get away with saying I haven't received it?

Thata great thank you very much for the advice! Its good to know we can come to you for advice. Now I only have left to sort out the issue where my brother was caught speeding in a car registered to me.. I sent the NIP in his name unfortunately 1st class so not signed for or tracked and have not received a reply. Dont want to end up in court too for failing to identify driver which sounds to me like it might happen as I haven't received a reply yet. Its been about 3/4 weeks since I sent the letter of 1st class. Thank you for all the help!! Thanks.

Turns out you guys where right... This is 2 separate speeding fines. The one he received he done the awareness course for but the 2nd one he did not receive the NIP for. So considering he does not know anything about it other than the single procedure notice he will write not guilty for speeding and failing to identify driver and then in court he will agree to the speeding only if they drop the charges for failing to identify driver.. is that correct? He is telling me to write a letter for him apologising for not identifying the driver as he didn't receive the letter and to also write that he is guilty of speeding on the letter but he wont take the blame for not identifying driver as he did not receive the letter.... Would it not be better if he said hes guilty for the speeding and doesn't need to come to court for it and then write not guilty for failing to identify driver come to court? That way hes owned up to his mistake for speeding and will occur penalty points which he said is fine and then as for failing to identify driver he will go to court and explain he did not receive the NIP therefore was not able to write his name on it.... Thanks.

Just spoke to him on the phone, He said the first letter came which was the NIP. He wrote his name on there and sent the letter off 1st class. He then received a 2nd letter asking him if he wants points on the licence or if he wants to do the speed awareness course. He chose to do the speed awareness course and he wrote his debit card details on there so they charged him the amount for the speed awareness course and sent him the booked date for his course by email. He has prove for the payment being taken out as well as that he sat the course and completed it. Assuming everything was finished now he then now has received a Single Justice Procedure notice. Which states he was caught speeding as well as failing to identify the driver. Now he's lost as he has already done the course and paid the fees therefore why hes receiving this letter/form he doesnt understand. Surely they wouldn't provide him with an option of speed awareness course or points on license if they hadnt received his NIP surely? Assuming they sent him the speed awareness course should mean they received the NIP stating he was the driver? So how can he now be accused of not identifying the driver? This justice procedure notice was given by Cambridgeshire constabulary by the tiny blurred out logo I can see on the form. He says he has contacted Cambridgeshire constabulary and they told him to send any proof of evidence as well as the form and in writing . ..write a letter stating your sorry they didn't receive the NIP however he did send it and he has done the speed awareness course (Showing proof of it) and then let the court decide on it after? Is this what he should do? Thanks.

How do we contact the clarke? Thanks.

Its "he". I keep writing he or I as when I normally write posts I write for myself and always write I therefore now that im writing for someone else, its all a bit confusing as I keep writing he or I at times. It is definitely a He not I so please ignore that. As for the speeding offence, it is definitely for the same offense not 2 separate offences. The exact same speed measurement and same road on the letter. I doubt he was doing 38 mph in BOTH speeding offenses. I think what has happened is the speed awareness course was originally booked for an earlier date however because of corona he received another email where the dates had been forwarded 1 month and the reason being something to do with the virus. Maybe because of that things are delayed and therefore Cambridge constabulary assumed my friend didn't respond on time? Thats what im guessing? Just dont know if now he should write guilty or not guilty because yes he was guilty for speeding however hes paid the price for it therefore why should he be charged twice for it? 1 mistake he did make was the NIP notice he sent back, he didnt send it TRACKED DELIVERY, he sent it 1st 2nd class post without signature therefore he cant prove that they had received the letter. Thanks.

Hello, Friend of mine is a taxi driver and was caught doing 38mph in a 30mph zone. He received the NIP and wrote his details on there and agreed with the charge and therefore got given a speed awareness course to do. He has sat and done his speed awareness course on a computer with webcam and microphone and has references for it too. However he then received a letter stating he needs to go to court and not only for speeding but also for failing to identify driver! He already said he was guilty for speeding and had sent the letter oFf and then done the test as well afterwards how can they now take him to court for it? I now have the form to fill where I have to write guilty or not guilty for speeding as well as for failing to identify driver. Of course I cant just ignore the letter therefore what am I supposed to do? Do I fill the letter again and say im guilty for speeding and not guilty for failing to provide driver details? He doesnt want to get charged and accused twice when he's already done the speed awareness course. Thanks in advance.

Hello, Yes sorry I forgot to update this... Great news is that I won the case and my ex will be getting done for "perverting the court of justice" so hes most probably looking at jail time. God was the prosecutor pushy at the trial trying to accuse me of driving and trying to tongue twist all my words! They tried to make me look like it was my fault! They started asking me, you met him in 2017 took his car from him, i told him no I left him in 2016 how could I possibly meet him again in 2017! Then he tried to accuse me by saying the signature on my passport is different to my driving license which is different to the statement. I had to tell them the signature on my passport which is from Poland was done by me when I was 14-15 years old and had no clue what I was doing and the one on my licence is recent which is still very similar to the passport. My current boyfriend got told off as he was sitting there thinking this is ridiculous, instead of getting the guy who commited the crime they where trying to blame it on me so he was sitting there laughing at how pathetic the entire trial was and instead decided to go outside and wait for me there. As for me, I got bombarded with a whole ton of questions which quite frankly I got fed up of bothering to answer and went outside to see my boyfriend and look for some comfort. They then told me to come back inside and the judge gave his plead and said not guilty due to the signature on the statement looking like it was faked and then said "I am now going to make sure I go through every single document of your ex boyfriends, passport, driving licence, address changes etc etc etc". Thats when I sat there and thought well it was all worth it because his driving licence is banned and hes driving illegally. Hes an immigrant and has his name changed etc therefore his passport is doubtly genuine and hes the owner of an off licence grocery shop who sells under the counter cigerattes! So seriously, Good luck to him getting his way out of this one! As for me I am going to work and paying my bills, unfortunately they are not able to reimburse me for the wages which I think is quite unfair because they are going to charge HIM court fees etc therefore why couldnt they just add my 3 days worth of wages onto his bill and make him pay for that too but oh well it is what it is. Couldnt have done it without you guys so thank you very much for all your support

Thank you for all your help.. I have just lost 3 days of work and my job due to not turning up to work for those days.

when would I mention the losses to them? after the case is closed or before or at the reception? Sorry I dont know much, just trying to deal with this stupid ....

I see understood now. Im guessing I dont need to fill the list in and return it then as my job is to basically prove it wasnt me that is all. And how would I be able to claim for any loses by any chance? E.g. being off work now for 3 days because of having to deal with this situation.. Any way to claim losses? Thanks.

Thanks for the reply, Yes the request for information is 1 and also in the statements there is an email conversation using a fake email account which does not belong to me and I did not create it stating that "I have lost my driving licence and going to poland and that they can keep a copy of my passport if they need to use it. I think when he sent of the request for information, they replied back with a conditional offer of educational course and fee instead of the points. As he gave my name, he didnt have the driving licence number to give therefore they could not submit the admission for a educational course and then he tried to be more clever and created a fake email account impersonating as me so he could tell them over email that "I lost my driving licence and im going to poland and they can keep a picture copy of my passport to use (Seems like he has my OLD passport and is trying to use my documents) I would like to know why he is trying to impersonate me and if he is not there on the day how would I do that? Also the letter was received to me on 29/01/2020 but I received it 31/01/2020 which really only gives mes 2 days to send it back to the court who wont receive it any way ? So what do I do?

Hello, If anyone can help me it would be great. My friend received a speeding offence which was long story short her ex boyfriend speeding and trying to pin the blame on her. A bit stupid as she has not seen him in past 3 years but he got himself a speeding fine and passed the blame on to her. Instead of writing her new address or saying he doesnt know the address, he played it clever by giving his own address (her OLD address) so that the NIP arrives there and he fills it in impersonating as her (Including a fake signature). She only realised when the court started charging her on her wage slips and she had no clue about it and when she called the court up they told her everything and she did a statement to say it wasnt her driving and she had no idea what was going on. There was a court hearing and at the court hearing it was found the statement was not written by her and it couldnt possibly been her as she cant drive a car any way and doesnt hold a full uk licence to drive as well. It has now gone to a court TRIAL and we have no idea what this is and who is going to be there. Is her ex boyfriend going to be there as she may just kill him there and then (pun intended) haha. So it has gone to a court trial which is on Monday 03/02/2020 and at the last court hearing she was told to bring 1) Proof of passport signature - (This will show the signature on the NIP is not her signature which is different to the signature on her passport). 2) her online driving licence check which shows any points she has and what licence she holds. However, she today has received a letter stated "NOTICE TO DEFENDANT: PROOF BY WRITTEN STATEMENT" and there is a lot of statement evidence papers with it. On the paper it says "the prosecutor wants to introduce this evidence in writing, instead of the witness giving the evidence in person. How to reply to this notice: If you do NOT want the prosecutor to introduce the evidence of these witnesses in writing, you must 1) List the witness you want to give evidence in person 2) send me the list not more than 7 days after this notice is served on you 3) Be prepared to explain to the court what issue in the case makes it necessary for the witness to give evidence in person". Can someone please tell me what exactly this means because we just read this and where lost in what they are asking from her...? She has read the evidence and would like to ask questions such as why her ex boyfriend has given her name on the NIP and an old address where he still currently lives and where she used to live but has not lived in the last 3 years as she broke up with him 3 years ago. Something else she would like to ask is why the statements where filled in by him as the hand writing belongs to him therefore he has faked her signature on the NIP and put her down as guilty for speeding yet she dont know how to drive a car! Especially as he is driving illegally with a banned licence therefore thought he could be clever by putting her name down instead of his for his mischievous mistakes! Any heads up on the court trial? Thanks

Hello guys, Back to reviving this thread again and asking for your help ones again guys. it has gone to a court trial which is on Monday 03/02/2020 and at the last court hearing I was told to bring 1) Proof of passport signature - (This will show the signature on the NIP is not my signature which is different to the signature on my passport). 2) My online driving licence check which shows any points I have and what licence I hold. However, I today have received a letter stated "NOTICE TO DEFENDANT: PROOF BY WRITTEN STATEMENT" and there is a lot of statement evidence papers with it. On the paper it says "the prosecutor wants to introduce this evidence in writing, instead of the witness giving the evidence in person. How to reply to this notice: If you do NOT want the prosecutor to introduce the evidence of these witnesses in writing, you must 1) List the witness you want to give evidence in person 2) send me the list not more than 7 days after this notice is served on you 3) Be prepared to explain to the court what issue in the case makes it necessary for the witness to give evidence in person". Can someone please tell me what exactly this means because I just read this and was lost in what they are asking from me...? I have read the evidence and would like to ask questions such as why my ex boyfriend has given my name on the NIP and an old address where he still currently lives and where I used to live but have not lived in the last 3 years as I broke up with him 3 years ago. Something else I would like to ask is why the statements where filled in by him as the hand writing belongs to him therefore he has faked my signature on the NIP and put me down as guilty for speeding yet I dont know how to drive a car! Especially as he is driving illegally with a banned licence therefore thought he could be clever by putting my name down instead of his for his mischievous mistakes! If I am right, is this letter asking me if I agree with the statements/evidence and if I do not agree with them then I can write the evidence/statement and explain what my issue is with them and at the court trial the statement will be giving by person instead of writing? Sorry to revive an old thread im loosing my head over this. Thanks.

Hello Good news and I honestly couldnt have done it without you guys! Got there asked for my interpretor who really really helped me with the case and explained everything to me properly. The judge started by asking the prosecuter what happened and the prosecuter pretty much told them everything stating facts that i do not drive and made no contact with my ex in 3 years. The court asked 1 question only and that was "Why was there no statutory declaration made within 21 days of the offence reaching the defendant?" In which the prosecutor stated that no emails where received due to an address change and a NIP was not received to the defendant. I then asked my interpretor if he could ask the judges for the case evidence which they showed. 1) The picture of the car was blurry and it was only from behind so the registration could be seen but nothing else. At the front, you could only see the front bumper of the car. 2) They then showed me the NIP which was meant to be received at my address however it was sent to old address (whsre i was living with my ex 3 years ago) and the prosecutor asked me to confirm the signature was mine.. Obviously, I said no this is not mine and i did not fill this document in. The interpretator told me he had seen the evidence sheet from the prosecutor and it was literally blank. Nothing on it at all so no evidence that it was me. Pretty much from there the judges realised that this was a case of perverting the course of justice and they have now set up a court trial which i need to attend in febuary. Before leaving the room.. The judge said "I cant promise you will win however I can assure you, it definately will not take long to sort this out". So pretty much they already know exactly whats happened and they told me that when I am at the court trial in febuary, I need to bring a signature from lets say my passport so they can cross reference this to the signature on the NIP. Ones I have won the case, I will be filling against him for perverting the course of justice as well as claim any lost monies back. Thank you so much for all your guidance. Its people like you guys who do good for this world.

Yes i realise this but what i meant was that in my view i havent been able to provide driver details therefore how am i not being charged for a failure to provide driver details offence but obviously its because they seem to have proof of me providing my NIP to them which I need to go and see as I havent provided anything to say I know the driver due to not receiving the NIP in the first place. Therefore somebody could have possibly tried to declare they are me. Will I be able to show the evidence to a friend of mine as he is going to know about this a lot better and understand it better than me.. English is not my first language and its hard for me to understand it especially when im going to be there with nerves kicking in and wont know what to say therefore I would like to be able to show someone the evidence so they can see whats happened... Any chance of this? Does anyone have a picture or something I can look at so I know exactly what document I am looking for as I have no idea what it is mean t to look like..

So its definately true that there should have been a failure to identify driver offence as well as the speeding offence however its only a speeding offence here which doesnt add up as I havent received an NIP to have the chance to explain who I think was the driver of the vehicle. So question is, who has received the letter in my name and why did they plead me as guilty and send it off? I am definitely going to go in tomorrow morning for my hearing and the first thing I am going to ask for is to see the evidence they have got against me as I want to see when they received my NIP and why they have received a document I did not write. Surely they are meant to charge me for a failing to identify driver offence as well as speeding so something is definately wrong. I do hope they let me see the evidence before the hearing starts because I really need to see that evidence!

Yes if he gets caught then yes but he seems to have played this so cleverly that really, I think the case will most likely be dropped as I dont think there is any evidence of either of us driving the vehicle. Thanks.