yes I thought being truthful by admitting everything might alleviate the punishment. After all what's done is done and all I hoped was to memorise this very hard lesson and have a refresh start not sure if my employer will give me a second chance and keep me at job

Hi HB yes I showed my suspension letter to TFL.

yes they requested a copy of court summons and I admitted regular misuse. Now I really feel I will be punished for being honest..

thanks dx I self reported to them so they suspended me and investigated. I admited using it to save money and they rised allegations of dishonesty and lack of integrity they said OOC cannot change the fact of my criminal offence. as we are in a client facing industry they seem to uphold a very high standard of internal code of ethics so I am really worried. my hearing of alleaged gross misconduct is next week and they say if allegations substantied could lead to summary dismissal.. really worried

Thanks dx and all others who helped me on this case. After acknowledging the fact that I have self-reported to my employer and received a suspension letter (on ground of gross misconduct) pending internal investigation and the potential that I will have to leave the UK very shortly if I am dismissed without notice, a OOC decision has been made to settle my case. I hope I can still keep my job after the disciplinary hearing due next week.. Please do let me know if I can be further help.

the problem is they never wrote back but issued court summons instead.. So I have no idea how to contact them directly and efficiently.

yes a suspension on full pay letter

thanks all for your great advices and helps so far. After self-report the event and telling all the truth to my employer, I am now on suspension pending the investigation. I was given the impression that dismissal without notice is very likely. If this happens, my right to live in the uk will be immediately revoked so I might not be able to stay until court date. Does anybody know TFL prosecutions team's direct contact number so I can discuss with them how to close the case if I have to leave the UK.. thanks in advance

would anyone help advise on the above, please？ Thank you all in advance!

Thanks BazzaS for all above and your patience. Another quich Q: TFL currently charges my with Contract to byelaw 17 with suspected 90+ journeys also made by me. If I admit in the next letter to TFL or sign all the boxes to ask court take them into considerations. Would this action actually results in TFL "upgrade my chagre" i. e. chagre me with Railway Act 1889 instead? I much wanted to continue communicating with TFL and attend court in person, but I fear if I am asked if I do this knowingly - I will have to answer yes and which could lead to a more severe charge? Any thoughs/advices welcomed. Thank you!

Thanks BazzaS Yeah those journeys were made by the rightful owner..but again it's tricky for the card owner to step out as he might face the risk of being charged for letting me use the card.. So if I sign all the boxes to admit all 90+ journeys were made by me - would it deemed as another lie if subsequently found out the opposite? would you advise in this case I just sign all of the journeys suspected and do not create another potential trouble? (that's what I plan to go for now)

Hi dx, 90+ journey list is all journeys ever recorded on that card - and they claimed all of them were suspected made by me did you mean I should or shouldn't tell TFL that 10 of these were not made by me? Thanks

Hi dx and all, I received the court summons charging me "Contrary to Byelaw 17(1) of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws Made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Great London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962" A full list of 90+ journeys were suspected with signature required for each journey 1) I have 10+ journeys not made me and I have another oyster card travel history to prove this - should I include this as evidence or just admit all 90+ journeys, in case TFL made further investigations and incur further costs? 2) Surprisingly my court day is in early September, so I have three months negotiating with TFL. Since I have provided potential loss of job evidence in my initial response, TFL did not write back but send the court summons right away. How should I keep negotiating with TFL in this case? p.s. I didn't see on letter that I should send materials back to court within 21 days as stated on many other people's summons.. Thank you all in advance

thanks dx, yeah it's good to know the hopes and good to prepare for the worst. I will update here once something comes through. thanks again for all your help:)

thanks dx I am a bit confused here.. "not a fine, its not been before the magistrate" as you said always attend the court in person and show remorse and I imagine (base on other cases) there will be financial punishment (unpaid fare, court fees admin and etc) - is this called a fine? Could this contrary to byelaw 17 spent immediately or after 12 months?

I personally haven't receive anything back from TFL or court summons. I suppose it would be a fine (2 months of misuse) similar to most cases?

Hi BazzsS I am in a similar situation and have already had my own thread. Just a quick one - do you happen to know if convicted, is this immediately spent or after 12 months? Appreciate your time and thanks in advance! "Contrary to Byelaw 17(1) of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws Made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Greater London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962."

Thanks dx, as I read through other case I noticed that offenders will usually be asked for their annual income. Is this info required under certain laws so I should definitely tell TFL when they ask? or when asked by the court?

Hi dx, still have not heard back since I replied to their first standard letter - should I just wait or call them proactively?

Thank you dx I want to mention: "I currently pay medical bills for my father, who has suffered from xxx and disabled for a decade." Should I also mention below (as motivation to "save money") or it will be considered as waffle? "The secured fund which I invested her life's saving, defaulted in 2018, causing huge financial pressure/concern over his long-term medical care." Following the above Is it necessary to mention that I have worked on projects to ensure pensioners interests are protected. Conviction means I can no longer work with these public sector pension as a enhanced dbs is required?

A friend (lawyer) sugguested to write below I am willing to make a voluntary payment going far beyond the value of the fare in question that which a court might impose upon conviction, plus any unpaid fare, administrative costs Is this a good idea? Should I just say a voluntary penalty fine + unpaid fare + admin costs? Thank you in advance

Thank you dx and sorry - I will not to ask any more silly questions..

Thank you dx - I don't think I will receive the definite answer from HR before my reply to TFL. In this case, should I say "I will lose my job" or "I will highly likely to lose job" If I say the former, but cannot provide definite evidence later on, would this be considered as a deliberate lie? If I only say "highly likely to lose job" - will TFL not to even consider settlement at all, due to the fact that I misused for 70+ journeys? it is almost guaranteed I will lose my job as it is a condition of my contract that I must retain a fit and proper status this is check via a form annually, where under "Good character and reputation section", I will be asked the question "have you been convicted of any offence in a court of law (subject to 1974 RoOA") the above wording is just amazing! sorry English is not my first language so both my written and oral English need to be improved. HR confirmed that we will not provide any written evidence regarding if I will lose job. I am certainly very regretful and show remorse and won't commit such offence again in my letter Should I ever mention I will lose uk visa if I lose my job? Or just mention the job bit but not the visa thing.

Thank you dx, sorry I am confused. did you mean not to mention settlement in the letter at all? Or to mention settlement without a specific figure?

thank you dx what do you think a suitable offer looks like to financially compensate TFL? Is the number I should offer on my letter being my week's income+all unpaid fares+all related admin costs?