Hello guys, Just would like to update my case. Maybe will be useful for someone. Now it past more then a month since I send letter to the VCS and they did not respond to it. I know that they still may take me to the court, if it will happen I will update it. I would like to say thank to all of you guys for your support in this case it was very helpful! Thanks very much!

Thanks for your advice. Will do that and will get back here as soon as they answer to me.

Here is all letters which I have received from the beginning in date order (Letter Before Claim is on page 9). If there is a problems with viewing this PDF file please let me know. new8in1.pdf

Ok, I understand your point. Thanks for explanation. At the moment I am on stage where I received "Letter Before Claim". All letters are attached in PDF file there is 14 pages they are in date order (name of PDF file is "new8in1") Post number #29. I will poste this letter again just in case. So again last letter which I received was 23/08/2018.

No, I did not know about MCOL. They do not have solicitors as far as I can see. In this case, should the text from the link which you provide go to VCS name ?

Thanks for your comment. If I do understand your message correctly you did not find in this attachment "Letter Before Claim" ? In PDF file page number 10 is "Letter Before Claim If there is any problem with viewing this letter(especially page 10 and below) please let me know. If you mean something else could you please specify? LBC.pdf

Thanks for your comment. Updated and uploaded again. On page 10 do you mean Account number and sort code ? new8in1.pdf

Yes, I do have them. Please see attachment.

Ok, thanks you.

As far as I understand site regulation I can post links after 10 post. So now you should see link. https://padi.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/213845369-Letter-before-Claim-Further-and-Better-Particulars

Hi, I will wait for sure.

I was thinking to send them following letter to request more details about contravention. What do you think about it ? Draft "Part 18" Letter Dear Sirs Request for Further and Better particulars Regarding the above and claim form, leading on from PCN xxxxxx it is necessary to ask for more information regarding a purported debt to yourselves. The Particulars of Claim do not meet the requirements of the Practice Directions 16.4 as there are woefully insufficient details for me to form a defence. As such, please answer the following questions. Please respond, in full, within 14 days. Failure to respond will be recorded and shared during any future court proceedings. Standing to bring a Claim 1. Please identify the landowner. 2. Please confirm that the Claimant can demonstrate a clear chain of authority from the landowner either by way of a written authority contract, deed or lease. a). That this/these document(s) is/are in the Claimant’s possession or if not when they will be. b). That such document(s) are available for inspection and if not when they will be. c). That copies of the document(s) can be provided and that the originals will be available at court. Breach of Contract? 3. What is the basis of the claimants claim? (a) An agreed contract? (b) A breach of contract? © Trespass? 4. If 3.a or 3.b, what is the claimant’s legal capacity to offer parking at the location? And how is that supposed contract created, by sign, by permit or by some other means. 5. If 4.c what is the claimant’s legal capacity if not the land-owner or lessee? The Contract 6. If it is the Claimant’s case that their claim is based in contract and that such a contract was conveyed by way of signs displayed at the location please confirm the following: a). That the Claimant is able to produce a copy of all the various signs at the location as they were on the date the PCN was issued, indicating the various text point sizes together with a map or plan showing where they are deployed on site. b). A schedule of works/maintenance showing how and when such signs on-site were repaired, replaced and cleaned etc. c) Full proof that the signage complied with the relevant Code of Practice on the date the PCN was issued. Evidence of a Contract, Breach of Contract or Trespass 7. Please confirm whether it is the Claimant’s intention to adduce photographs and/or CCTV footage of the relevant event and: a). That such photographs and/or footage is in the Claimant’s possession and if not when it will be? b). That such photographs and/or footage are available for inspection and if not when they will be? c). That copies of the photographs and/or footage can be provided and that all the originals will be available at court. Additional Costs claimed 8. Please confirm that the Claimant has in his possession an analysis of the costs incurred that form the additional charges included in the claim and: a). That copies of such an analysis and other attendant documents upon which the analysis is based are available for inspection and if not when they will be? b). That copies can be provided of the analysis and attendant documents and that all original documents upon which the Claimant might seek to rely on in this respect will be available at court. TAKE NOTICE THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO ANSWER THE ABOVE REQUEST WITHIN 14 DAYS OF SERVICE OF THE SAME UPON YOU. SERVICE WILL BE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN EFFECTED ON THE SECOND BUSINESS DAY AFTER POSTING. Yours sincerely, The Defendant

Thank for the advice. I think that they may go further because I am immigrant (can see this by personal details provided by DVLA) and can not protect my self in court. Easy money

Thanks a lot for this explanation! I do apologies that I post all this info that you already know, just would like to make sure we talking about same thing. As far as I understand you talking about this part: 6. Ticketing 6.1 When a parking contravention is detected, a landholder may place a ticket on a vehicle or give it to the driver at the time of the contravention. In these circumstances the landholder must wait 28 days after which, if there is no response, he/she may submit a request to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) for details of the vehicle's registered keeper. He/she may then write to the registered keeper to seek details of the driver or payment of the parking charge. 6.2 Where a contravention is detected remotely (such as by cameras), the landholder may request registered keeper data from the DVLA immediately and must write to the registered keeper within 14 days seeking details of the driver or payment of the parking charge. If yes, then please advise on following. If they did not provide me pictures of contravention so far. Is that mean that they do not have them or they just do not want to show them?

Yes, sure. Privat land2.pdf

Could you please double check now? tenant2.pdf

Thank you for your full open answer. Yes, all dates are correct. I had a window ticket (notice that I park without permit). As far as I understand they have 14 day to send to me NTK with amount of charge. Also I attach Private Land Terms and conditions.

I am truing to attached file with tenancy agreement. Hope it is possible to see something. If not please let me know I will type it.

Hi, Thanks for your respond. I did park on visitor parking this space is not allocated to any flat. My friend post code is a bit different (as I mention above). There is two building for one parking I am truing to find out what is post code for second building. I did received window ticket (no picture provided so far). It was warning that I parked without permit and they will send me NTK (Notice to Keeper).

Hello CAG, I have received Letter Before Claim. Briefly will explain how does it happen. In 2017 23rd December me and my friend decided to do surprise for our fried who lives faraway, more then 140 miles from us. In car park (car par is allocated to block flats where lives our friend) we arrived in late evening around 10pm and park on visitor parking space. Due to late evening and Christmas hustle I did not saw any of Private land parking sign. In a next day 24/12 Christmas day our friend ( flat owner ) released that we need parking permit to stay in visitor parking. She was run out of permits and obviously on Christmas day she could not get any new ones. When I went down stairs to move my car I saw that I have already PCN. Now about LBC (Letter Before Claim ) This letter is from Vehicle Control Services LTD If I do not pay 160 £ they will commence legal proceeding against me without future notice. Principal Debt £160.00 Estimated Interest £7.43 Estimated Court Fees £25.00 Estimated Total £192.43 In the envelope they have enclosed a reply form giving me several options/tick boxes: I agree I owe the debt I owe some of the debt but not all of it I don't know whether I owe the debt I dispute the debt (I can explain why in a separate document) I will pay what I owe now I will pay but need time to pay I am getting or intend to get legal advice And then another section where I can request documents from them e.g. a copy of the written contract for the debt. As with everyone else on this site, I don't agree with the charge. Can anyone advise/help on what I should do next? Thanks, P.S. Below I add form that was recommended to fill in. 1 Date of the infringement – 24/12/2017 2 Date on the NTK – 03/01/2018 3 Date received – 05/01/2018 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? – NO, they did not mention about it. 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event – No photographic evidence has been provided. 6 Have you appealed? – No, I did not appeal Have you had a response? - N/A 7 Who is the parking company? – Vehicle control Services Limited 8. Where exactly – Car was parked at the postcode - S13 9DP, Sheffield (On PCN letter is Innovation, Sheffield, S13 9DR) For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. – They offer appeal through myparkingcharge.co.uk There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, please check HERE - Vehicle Control Services Ltd 02498820 IPC If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here. – I have received 8 letters in total (all of them are in PDF file). Letter 1 – 2 from Vehicle Control Services Limited. Letter 3 – 5 from – Debt recovery plus ltd Letter 6 – 7 from Zenith collections Letter 8 from Vehicle Control Services Limited as a Letter before claim.