violet0sky
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I thought I would let you know that the Adjudicator has found all 3 penalty notices INVALID Decision letter attached.
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and the main doc of the rejection letter from the council has the wrong car registration number on it!
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I've just noticed - all 3 PCNs state I was parked on the long straight road! The little triangle bit is actually part of the other road leading up to it - according to Google maps and RAC . I'm guessing this may well be significant?!?!?!
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I believe PATAS is for London area only. Please correct me if I am wrong
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This is a very good point - I hadn't thought of it as 'discretionary' - But you are right!
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There are restrictions in the morning as well. The times are 8am-10am and 2pm-4pm. I think I have said already, I do not understand the 2-4 timing, as school finishes at 3.30pm, and after school clubs finish at 4.30pm. If it is really about child safety, why isn't the afternoon restriction 3pm to 5pm? The tickets - I have already started the ball rolling to go to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. I believe the reduced ticket fee has to also be offered at the end of the Tribunal hearing if unsuccessful. In the future - I will need to leave work even earlier so that I can bag the closest 'allowed' parking spot to the school! - I'll end up having to be there well before 3pm!!!!
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The area where only residents can drive is for the safety of the children. Its basically a huge 'safe' area for the children to come out of school and be met by their parents.
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Thank you Daniella - I did indeed state that all 3 tickets arrived well after all 3 'contraventions'.
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This is unfortunately this end of the school has no vehicle access - it has steps that lead down to the school playground. The front of the school is even worse for parking! Walking any distance also causes me problems - I rarely do this school run as another mum picks up for me - I have a son at a school the other side of town! On the odd occasion I do need to collect both children, I need to get away as quickly as possible so my son isn't left standing around on his own for too long waiting for us
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This is unfortunately this end of the school has no vehicle access - it has steps that lead down to the school playground. The front of the school is even worse for parking! Walking any distance also causes me problems - I rarely do this school run as another mum picks up for me - I have a son at a school the other side of town! On the odd occasion I do need to collect both children, I need to get away as quickly as possible so my son isn't left standing around on his own for too long waiting for us
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I don't think there is any need for posts like this. It's just plain rude! I assume that if you have children, you bring them up to treat others as you wish to be treated? that calling people names, and insulting people is not acceptable behaviour! Yet, even though you KNOW this is wrong, it is exactly what you are doing to me! The difference is, that doing this, and stealing, are things that are done with intention - therefore, they are completely preventable at ALL times. The examples I gave were all things that can be done / happen inadvertently! By being forgetful, or not paying close enough attention. So, before you decide to throw any more insults at anyone, think about what you are doing!!!!!
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I'm going to need to look them up again
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It does explain how you believe I have misinterpreted the rules. I can see some points, but I do still believe my understanding is largely correct - mainly as I have read most of it in legal documents etc. I do think I need to provide more evidence than I have already though - I did think it was enough, but can see more evidence from legal documents might be necessary.
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If I have interpreted the rules incorrectly, I need someone to explain HOW I have done so....................... Taking the 3 main points below, please can you explain how the council have acted correctly, and how I have managed to misinterpret the rules: 1. From the guidance notes – traffic management act 2004 – “The Secretary of State recommends that approved devices are used only where enforcement is difficult or sensitive and CEO enforcement is not practical” .....The council have claimed that parents seeing a traffic warden would run back to their vehicles, to move them quickly before receiving a ticket – and that this poses a danger to the children! .....Is this really a valid reason??? 2. Department for Transport’s Operational Guidance to Local Authorities: Parking and Enforcement states – “The Secretary of State recommends that authorities put up signs to tell drivers that they are using cameras to detect contraventions” .....The council seem to have claimed signs are only necessary for static cameras – but the above doesn’t seem to say that to me! 3. Innocent until proven guilty - regardless of how long I was stopped for, the actual ‘evidence’ is not long enough to actually prove this – nor can it ‘prove’ I wasn’t just dropping somebody off. .....This has to be based on fact, not opinion surely?
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I agree with this view completely, but this is not the case here. I'll attache another pic that will hopefully show this :/
