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Hiya charlotte The next time you see her mention this JSA Regulation. Wave paragraph 190 under her nose, if she gives you any grieff. Tell her you want her manager to explain to you why your advisor is not following DWP regulations......... Paragraph 190 usually shuts up most snotty advisors The extract below is taken from the Availability and Actively Seeking Employment chapter of the Labour Market Conditions Guide. 188. The JSA Regulations do not specify that claimants must keep written records of their job search. However, encouraging a claimant to keep a written record of the steps they have taken can help them to remember what they have done, and will help to build up a picture of the progress the claimant is making in their efforts to find work. 189. A claimant may have set up their own records, but if their record keeping is inadequate, or non-existent encourage them to use the Jobsearch Activity Log (ES4). 190. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular reviews may be in various forms: information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account; or evidence in writing from employers, employment agencies, or other organisations which they have contacted; or copies of letters they have sent to employers; or the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence. or the claimant’s verbal evidence or evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS. Clearly the DWP regulations say how you choose to provide your evidence is.... up to you. Print the extract and take it with you. Nimitz
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Hence my comment.................."If one is daft enough to give it" lol
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Hiya Mr P Just a quick note..Ingeus is not a third party. They are a data processor for DWP, therefore they can have ones data if one is daft enough to provide it. Nimitz
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Morning George You are correct, you do not have to sign anything on the work programme. You do not have to give them mobile numbers, email address, landline number also. DWP state that you are only obligated to provide them with your name and address.... THATS ALL......NOTHING ELSE. (Hmmm strange how Ingeus conveniently forget to tell clients) lol Nimitz
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Morning Folks. If you withdraw your data consent, you will solve the problem of the Ingeus Works issue. Withdrawing consent removes Ingeus's ability to track, monitor, share and discuss your personal information with any third party..... think about it.... any employer advertising on Ingeus works site is a third party.. Therefore should they insist you sign up to Ingeus Works you should point out to your advisor that as Ingeus track/monitor their own site....he/she will be in breach of the Data Protection Act 1998..... and you will report them to the ICO........simplez.! Should anyone require the appropriate letter to withdraw consent let me know davenimitz@gmail.com Nimitz
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Ingeus - Advisor Harassment/Data Protection
Nimitz replied to Piano Cube's topic in Benefits and HMRC
DWP dont want to know. Its Ingeus that want to know so they can claim £4000+ -
Ingeus - Advisor Harassment/Data Protection
Nimitz replied to Piano Cube's topic in Benefits and HMRC
Hiya Glad to see you did not sign the data waiver, excellent. As for the harassment from the advisor: write to the Ingeus manager informing him that you regard the phone calls and visits as harassment and that you will be writing to the DWP to complain, inform him also that you will report Ingeus to the police if there are any further visits or phone calls. They lied to you...they are NOT contracted by DWP to "up date their records" My friend had the same problem, once he informed them of the above actions they stopped harassing him. With the benefit of hind sight...you are only obliged to give Ingeus your name and address...ONLY.... you do not have to give them your email address and telephone number..(unless you want to) This link takes you to the Provider Guidance.."the rules of the game" created by the DWP, that Ingeus MUST follow.... it makes interesting reading, you may be surprised to know just how much power you have, but didn't know you had..lol http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/work-programme-provider.shtml Nimitz -
Ingeus - Advisor Harassment/Data Protection
Nimitz replied to Piano Cube's topic in Benefits and HMRC
Hiya Rob Regarding your question "How much info do I have to give Ingeus?" DWP rules state that you only have to give them your name and address, THAT'S ALL. You DO NOT have to give anything else ..NO email address, NO mobile no. NOTHING ELSE (unless you want to) Nimitz -
Ingeus - Advisor Harassment/Data Protection
Nimitz replied to Piano Cube's topic in Benefits and HMRC
Hiya Rob You can remove your data consent which makes it illegal for Ingeus to contact any third party regarding you. (except DWP)... withdrawing consent is perfectly legal and within the DWP rules. It also means that when you find a job, Ingeus cannot acquire the details they require from your employer, which means they cannot claim any money.. This in turn means Ingeus wont waste their time on you and they will see you less and less. If you need a letter to with draw consent, let me know.. davenimitz@gmail.com Nimitz -
Hiya Ruby "Low Life's"...lol .....funny,.... WP is low life central. I used to work on the WP when it first began although it was not with Ingeus, and I can show you advisors with criminal records..lol ....One in particular was caught selling weed around the back of the building....lol another was prosecuted and jailed for fraud, Nimitz
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Hiya Dont be worried, Just get to know the rules of the game, as they say. This link takes you to the DWP Provider Guidance...(the rules Ingeus must follow) have a read and you will be pleasantly surprised at what Ingeus can and cannot do..... http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/work-programme-provider.shtml For example. All you have to give them is your name and address....... You do NOT have to give them your mobile, email etc...unless you want to. Do not sign the Data Protection waiver, its optional.. All action plans must be discussed and agreed with YOU. Not imposed on you..... etc etc The Provider Guidance makes very interesting reading...(of course Ingeus dont want you to know your rights) Nimitz
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Hiya Ruby I secretly record every visit I have with Ingeus, (there are a number of cheap digital voice recorders on the market). I transfer all the conversations to the laptop afterwards. I know I should not have to record, however I hear so many bad things about Ingeus I like to cover my back...! Nimitz
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Hiya Ingeus claim funding for your presence on the course. .... Sad really, you will have to sit there listening to some illiterate poorly educated fool. Its highly likely my cat has more intelligence than the fool you have to listen to. Nimitz
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Hiya Its perfectly legal for the Work Provider to contact your employer, among other things. However it will become illegal once you have withdrawn consent. They will then require your written consent. Contact me at davenimitz@gmail.com I will forward you a withdrawal of consent letter, change what you need to, then give it Ingeus. its all legal and it will keep them of your back. Nimitz
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Hiya Withdrawing your Data Protection consent will throw a legal spanner in the works, keep them away from you and your employer. If they gather enough info about your job they can claim thousands from the taxpayer. If you wish to withdraw your consent I can send you a template letter, alternatively you can find one on the "consent me " website. Nimitz
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You should be paid commission for training them...lol Nimitz
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Evening folks I signed today and was informed by 2 advisors that UJM is still optional... ( I dont use it personally ) but for those that do the rules state you can use it without registering. Blimey, DWP needs to get its act together. On a separate note I was reading the policy statement of the American company who ( by the way are being paid £17 million pounds to run it) ...They openly state that they cannot guarantee your personal data is safe...! what a set of TOSSERS Nimitz
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You will have an easier time if you withdraw your data consent Nimitz
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Hiya Masso In answer to your questions....Your advisor can look on this site just the same as anyone else, I suggest you create a new user name. Also the Ingeus manager is responsible for his center complying with your withdrawal of consent, once its on the system any advisor looking at your records will see a pop up box stating you have withdrawn consent. Dont worry about it, after all your just exercising your legal rights. STOP WORRYING lol Nimitz
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Hiya Mate Its highly unlikely to be made compulsory next year or any year....So stop worrying...Originally it was going to be compulsory until they realised that the Data Protection Act and the Privacy Laws would have to be changed first..... and that's never gonna happen.... so it will remain your choice. If your not happy with the UJM, then dont use it, or at least just use it without signing up to it.... I have never used it and having asked almost everyone I know.....they haven't used it either.....my JCP advisor have never mentioned it... Stop worrying over something that will never happen.. Nimitz
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Hiya Joe STOP WORRYING
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With the economy in the poor state its in, it will become more and more difficult for Ingeus/A4E/Serco etc to put people into jobs...the result being all providers will begin to struggle......and wither on the vine...lol I cant wait... Nimitz
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Could this be the thin end of the wedge.. Nimitz
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Hiya Mate You dont have to put up with their Bull***t If you haven't withdrawn your consent, do it asap, ...that makes you worthless to them, so they will spend less time with you and more time on someone else. Next, get a copy of their complaints procedure and put in a formal complaint. They have strict DWP rules they have to follow, if they break them....COMPLAIN... Did you know you can change your advisor?.... if hes being a nob head..... change advisor..... Dont let them bully you.... read the provider guidance and get to know the rules of the game... The guidance is here http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/work-programme-provider.shtml Nimitz
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Why do you let them treat you so badly.? Read the DWP Provider Guidance. The rules are there for all to see. If they break them, put your foot down. Nimitz
