Mike Do you have an email add Dan

tks Mike. I guess the question is why should I need to wait. If they have a 'bug' in the system then they have no right to ask me for a penalty fare. If they cannot tell my entire journey and their inspectors cannot judge who has touched in or out, then they are in no position to ask me to pay a penalty. I know this is argumentative but just a little annoyed. Danny

Hi Just had a letter from FCC, they have now 'based on the points I have raised" decided NOT to proceed with the prosecution. So now I can move on towards trying to find out why I got asked in the first place, since I do this same journey often, its only a matter of time I get checked again and I have to go through all this, and waste half a day off work and be thrown off the train. Anyone successfully received compensation, or have any thoughts on howto go about this. I find it disgraceful that i get asked to pay a fine, when I have done nothing wrong (even though I can then go through all the hoops to claim it back) . Danny

Okay just called TFL again, they have no idea, what a TRIM or JSR is, or a report which has more detail. They claim the one I got emailed is the only report they give out. I have attached the segment of the report that I received from TFL. It provides a little more detail, and I hope confirms that I touched in and out where and when I should have. Danny

Urbanite, I have tried and failed on several occasions to obtain this JSR, but no one seems to know what it is. They all seem to go away and ask their supervisor and still come back with nothing. Danny

Thankyou very much I know why the error is at Elephant and Castle its because I was taken off the train, and the one at streatham is that I had to wait for an hour on 'hold' until I was processed and allowed out of the gates. So as long as it shows that I touched in through my journey its all good. The letter I received from the prosecution department is not a fine or anything, not even a summons. There request is "they would be obliged if I could obtain a print out from TFL and send it to them. and the letter "seeks an explanation about the ALLEGED incident of fare evasion that took place..." Ironic that its now become alleged incident. Once they receive the info they : will be able to make an informed decision about how the department will be going forward with this case".... Let me send my printout to them, and then we can take it from there once they decide to drop the prosecution. Danny

Hi Yes just got a letter from the prosecutions dept. They want me to send a report of the journey made BEFORE they decide whether or not to prosecute. Before I do this I have one query. IN the attached printout, I have shown my TFL journey printout. At 11.38 it says Elephant and castle No routing data and 12.07 Marylebone via zone 1 thr and charges me £3.40 what does this mean. The reason I ask is that I started the journey at Mitcham Eastfields and went to E & C overrail, then left the station, went to E & C tube and to Marylebone on the tube. Does that line show this or not ? Personally it does not seem to, since there is no mention of Mitcham Eastfields ? Danny

@Innocent congrats. I maybe looking to do the same, would be interested in further details of how you prepared (PM or whatever). I have TFL printouts and also email from TFL showing my oyster touched in and I paid. But still got thrown off the train because they could not verify address, and they tried to verify because they said I did not touch in. Admittedly I have not received anything through the post, and everyone advises to wait, but I have heard that you have so little time to prepare after the event, that its best to get you 'ducks in order' before. With the help of a few on this list I believe I am correct (even though it is assumed that their machines/readers simply do not lie/fail) TFL have even give me a refund. Danny

tks urbanite, I have the first table not the second, i.e the one with the status column. Can I get this from TFL if so what do I need to ask for. I asked for the journey log and they emailed me that Danny

Guys what is a TRIM report, I called TFL today to get one, and they did not have a clue what one was, so it was like the blind leading the blind. I have a journey report which was emailed to me by TFL is that one and the same thing ? Danny

Perfect tks, just one last question , at elephant and castle I believe there are two oyster places, is their any difference between the two or should I have touched at one or the other.... Danny

I did not check out, since they guy at streatham opened the gates because they told him it was blocked. TFL have given a refund, but I am not sure for what. I did NOT pay the penalty fare since they said I had NOT touched in, hence I said I am not sure why I should pay. If they had said I had touched in incorrectly or something I would have paid no problem. The only thing I did was not to sign the form nor state that I agreed to their caution, since I did not fully understand it. I refused to sign the form since it had the incorrect destination entered and also had not been completed, which I felt was within my rights. I gave my oyster when they wished to check it, and gave my correct address. One small question, how can I tell if I checked in our out, and do you get charged on a checkin i,e on entry or on exit (TFL and NR) tks guys for everything, I will get my TRIM records from TFL and then await what FCC says. Is there a statute of limitations on this. Also urbanite mentioned strictly speaking I broke bylaw 18(2) read what that said but not so clued up on law, any ideas ? Danny

@urbanite : Can you explain bylaw 18(2) a little more please, I tried to google but found nothing Dan

Note at elephant and castle I believe there are TWO places for Oyster, one is as you enter from the shopping center and go down the stairs, the other is at the bottom of the stairs. There are no physical barriers (aside from two metal bars at the top) . I cannot actually confirm the oyster at the top but will be able to by Monday. Dan

No the next entry is 12:48 the next train left at 12:49 which I could not take since I was not quick enough. So waited until the 1.03 train The streatham one is understandable, since I was hauled off and waited for british transport police and with FCC people to verify my address which they could not do on the train. Once the BTP arrived and verified my address I was thrown out of the station and told to find my way home and not use public transport since they had blocked my oyster Dan