Hi mrdell80 Sorry for my late reply.I have not applied for his freedom pass yet.I am still waiting for my summons- 6 weeks left to get to 6 months.I am very anxious...I will inform you soon about the outcome.

Thanks again Former Rail Cop.I am grateful for all the answers I have got you from and the other members of this forum.Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Thank you very much Former Rail Cop for your advice,it was realy helpful..My questions now are: 1.I know you have said you dealt with a very similar case,could you tell me what was the outcome and what I shall expect(how much costs,fine,etc)? 2.After sending the apologetic letter to prosecution letter,how long for the summons to arrive? 3.Is it too early now to writte a very remorseful letter to the institution who issues Freedom Pass or should I wait for the whole thing to finish? 4.I am thinking of sending the letter posted by Old-CodJA,do you think I should add more to it or I should give more details when summons arrive? thannks again it74

yes,I will be honest and say I have used it without my in laws permission ,which will land me in a lot of trouble but I do not want to lie.He deserves his pass back as he was not aware of me using it.Can someone send me a link to these apologetic letters please?I know Old-CodJA wrote me one but I would like to see a few more before I am writing mine tonight.Thanks

He thought that by getting the second freedom pass,the first one was deactivated automatically .He only used one pass and I was using the the other pass without telling him(he even forgot about the first one).IT IS ALL MY FAULT.I will pay whatever fine but I need to get his pass back-that is my biggest concern now.

Thank you very much Old-CodJA.I will plead guilty as I do not want to make things worse.

Anyone able to assist ,with my above question please ?

Thanks Old-CodJA.My questions is: Do I give as many details as possible or try to excuse along the lines of above letter you have posted and try to be more apologetic than give to many details.If they send me summons do I have to attend hearing(I have never been in a court and feel so embarrassed) and how much is affecting the outcome if I am not attending.?Thanks again

No.What you have read is the whole letter HB(except my personal details).

The scary letter has arrived after 5 stressfull weeks . I know Old-CodJA has asked to post again when I get the letter and here are the news: " On 17/05/2011 at 15:45 an incident took place at X station whereby you were spoken to by a member of London Underground staff regarding your train and the associated fare. The facts of this incidents are now being consdered and I must advise you that legal proceedings may be initiated against you regarding this matter in accordance wih London Underground prosecution policy. If you have any comments to make regarding this incident please write them on the reverse side of this letter and complete the information panel below, returning the whole letter ,whithin 10days. You do not have to reply to this letter but it may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you may rely on in court. Anything that you do provide in writing may be usd in evidence. Failure to respond to this letter may result in the matter being progressed by the London Underground Prosecutions Departament without further notification." Questions: 1.What is the best way to reply : reverse side of the letter or mail or phone? 2.How do I explain them that I was using a second Freedom Pass without involving my father in law for not sending one back(it is all my fault not his)? 3.Can someone post here please a link for the apologetic letter sample? 4.After I reply and if they decide to start legal proceedings, how long it takes to be called in court? I want this to finish even if they prosecute me-I cannot live with this stress anymore. Thank you for takng time to read my post and could someone please give me some answers to the above questions? Thanks

I do agree with you Wriggler7 and I am sure I will learn from this and become wiser.Thanks for the encouraging words and I hope there will be people who will learn from my mistake.

Thanks for your reply HB.Yes you are right, I have used only the first pass(mis-spelled one).It was hard to explain to my in laws but I have told them the truth.They thought that by getting the second freedom pass,the first one was deactivated automatically and they forgot about it.And then I started to use it.The worry for me and for him is I do not want him to be called in court(for not sending the mis-spelled one back) as is not his fault and also the idea that he might not get another one(he paid his fares and taxes all his life) I think he deserves another one.Thank you

Thanks for you replys. The fact that I am going to be prosecuted but I won't go to prison is good news. As I have mentioned ,above this is the biggest mistake in my life I have ever done and it is first and hopefully the only one . There is only one person to blame :ME. I deserve any punishment . I am a very anxious person and that is the reason I have ended up in hospital for 3 days being so stressed after the incident. It happend on 17th of May and I have not received anything from TFL since. I feel very embarassed and confussed as I have never been in a court. How am I going to explain that there were 2 freedom passes(when the first one was supposed to be sent back to the council). I do not want to tell lies. If I am going to be fined do I pay the cost of use for both passes? Can anyone tell me what is the maximum fine I might have to pay? How long this ordeal can last? When everything is done on what reason can my father in law apply for a replacement? I do understand everyone who blames me ,it is all my fault. Thank you in anticipation for your answers to my questions. P.S.I will inform you when I get the letter with details and hopefully I can get some more advice. Reading most of the posts online I haven't seen anyone in this situation (2freedom passes) this is the reason I am so worried.

My father in law had received his freedom pass last year and his name was misspelled on it he called the council and after a while he received a second freedom pass with the correct name. He has never sent back the wrong one and I have started to use it-big mistake. In the same time he was using the freedom pass with the correct name on it. After 5 or 6 motnhs I was caught on the british rail and I said to the ticket inspector that my father in law has lended me his freedom pass ( I was very afraid of the consequences as I never did anything so stupid). I have to mention that I was using the freedom pass for 3 single journeys every week and for the rest of the journeys I was using my oyster card which the the inspector have checked on his machine. He took the freedom pass from me and my father in law informed that his freedom pass(with correct name) is not working anymore. Now I am desperate, I have a two year old son and I do not want to go to prison .I have always bought a ticket for the last 13 years, now I have financial difficulties and it seems that I have made the biggest mistake of my life. On top of everything I am also in trouble with my father in law who wants his freedom pass back. Can someone advise me what's next? Can my father in law get a new freedom pass? Does he has to wait for the outcome on the sittuation or can apply for a replacement now? I know a lot of people here will blame me and I know they are right but can someone help with some advice please? I am so stressed about the whole situation that I have ended up in hospital . Thank you in anticipation for your help