Ask them to explicitly point toTHAT piece of legislation in the first place

Delete foe duplication.

Congrats are in order maggers...well done...welcome back ...'to life'

Good Morning ....

I am sorry I cannot scan/not working...pls bear with me

ok...as the title of thread states...I have 3 ppi's to sort out...

2 Halifax Credit Cards and 1 unsecured loan...

But first a few preliminaries...

I shall deal with the Visa Cards first...The FIRST I want to deal with was signed in 2001

This particular form that came in the SAR s split into 2 halves....at the top it says 'Visa Card Application'....Underneath that it says 'Credit Agreement Regulated By The Consumer Credit Act 1974...

Then the form is split into 2 halves with 6 points...on the left hand column from 1-5...name address,employment...and in point 5 it says 'Product Details'...'If you would like the to take advantage of these services please mark the relevant boxes,,,then there is a tick which definitely looks like it has been made by a computer as the x is made by a computer...in the CREDIT CARD REPAYMENT INSURANCE box...

Now I know for a fact that the person I am doing this for is ONLY JUST doing a computer course NOW and he was approx...55yrs then

In the other half of the page at point 6(In the right hand column) it states Principal Cardholders Application and Declaration and then in between this and the Right To Cancel Box and Signature Box which clearly states 'This is a Credit Agreement Regulated By the Consumer Credit Act 1974 sign it only if you want to be legally bound by its terms.....there is stuff like credit scoring and fraud prevention etc...

However just above the title in 6. 'Prinicpal Cardholders application and declaration'...it states.....'Attached to this application form [/b]you will find important information about your account.Some of this is repeated in the Halifax Credit Card Conditions.You will find a copy in your Halifax Credit Card application Pack.

Nothing else came in the SAR apart form statements....

The Issues

1.As this was signed in 2001...is this Regulated by Agreements Regs 83/1553

2.Does the fact that there are no PT's at all..i.e APR,Amount of Credit or any of the matters contained in Schedule 6 1983/1553.. on this form affect the validity of PPI itself.... ab initio

3.Are the PT's 'within the 4 corners of the signed form? ....were the PT's present at point of signature?

Thank you and much appreciated

m2ae:-)

Good Morning Dx100uk...I have just looked back at the thread and you are right...thanks anyway for reply..

Good evening ims21

Just a little insight if you can....

How would you calculate repayments PPI from 06/10/2003 to 05/07/2005 when there are no monthly statements for that period yet evidence is present that PPI WAS added to account on that date....

The PPI has been calculated FROM 05/07/2005 until 03/06/2010 as all statements were provided for that date apart from some missing about 8 in between these 2 dates...

So i guess then ...how would you calculate unknown figures from 06/10/2003-05/07/2005..or what 'common sense/figures' would you use..

AND...the missing months in between 05/07/2005 and 03/06/2010/figures would you use...

Thank you

m2ae:-)

Thank you ims for your prompt reply

much appreciated:-)

I have compiled a letter stating that the above is unsatisfactory and that a fuller breaksown is required and that xx amount of months are missing/unaccounted for when they sent SAR....

sent it off yesterday with nonsense cheque...

I shall post up the reply AND amount OR referral to FOS.

Just a quick question...

What category does PPI payments/CI from customer DEDUCTED from account fall into.

.i.e Balance Transfer...Cash Advances...Retail...Purchase...etc..

The reason is that I can then tell at a glance which APR applied to it at any particular time as opposed to Introductory Rates...

Thnks for all your help...

:-)Yes..congrats are in order well done!!!

Well done Bill...the means justifies the end I s'pose:razz:

Lord Prescott has just demanded a public enquiry into the behaviour of the 'close protection' racket'

Source:ITV- London Today 06/06/2012

FINAL ANALYSIS

MBNA offer was £330.01 after only 3 weeks from a written letter by me to them on bhalf of friend....

They moved swiftly

Offer too low....Offer has been calculated on this thread with stat int to be £399.64..MINIMAL

Statements for Periods between 06/10/2003-05/07/2005 not supplied therefore unaccounted for....

ACTUAL REFUND should be in region of £475.00-£500.00...estimated guess

Absolutely ims...and its goodnight from me and it's goodnight from him...lol

Final Thanks........................................... (on this one...hee hee)

m2ae

I agree

agree that it IS sizeable chunk or that it would be reasonable to NOT ask for it?

..And I will post FINAL OFFER here as success...later!!!

THANK YOU both(dx100uk) for your patience...

Nanu Nanu

Goodnight!

Yes...I will NOT use the missing months to show reasonableness what do you think ims?

...The Period from 06/10/2003 ....To.....-05/07/2005

OR do you think that that would be a size-able chunk...bearing in mind the above figures?

I am gonna forget about this for a couple of days and then start again with HBOS ppi single premium...hee hee more fun

I will put in a donation once the counter offer is accepted and it will be by postal order from my username in the corner just to show sincereity....

thnks guys!!!

Sorry the sheet has given me total of £399.64

I guess thats right...phew!!!

Thanks ims.AND dx100..I have really really enjoyed this journey of learning

:whoo:

Much rgds

sorry ims..but is the claim from date the same...ie...05/07/2010 and goes into claim FROM box..

I appear to come at a total interest 8% simple of £55.17

could you give me a second opinion..and if it is correct...then that would be added to 344.47 and used as counter offer correct?

thnks

Thank you

Succinct and straight to the point...

I'l be back with final figure that I shall revise upwards as a minimal counter-offer and use the missing months as leverage to get them to full and final settlement

I shall be moving on to the HBOS PPI loans and conditional loans...in the meantime am reading up on Citizens explanation of Single PPi arrived via your link

Rgds:-D

Thats great ims..I will definitely write to them on thi matter...

How would I take the above figures and apply them to the statin spreadsheet for period 03/06/2010 until 31/05/2012 when the cheque was written out (or rather the letter in which the final and full settlement was given)

Thanks

I am just popping out fro some fresh air and a break for a couple of hours..I think I need to just break the pattern abit...

But I hope that your advice will be both soon forthcoming..

thnks to you both once again

okay interesting....

I have calculated the figures from 05/07/2005-03/06/2010 and =TOTAL CHARGES £186.89

COMPOUND INTEREST £157.58

TOTAL £344.47

HOWEVER my friend has received a cheque for £330.01

I have not even factored in the missing months FROM OCT 6th 2003-05/07/2005 for which there are no monthly statements in the SAR package..but we have correspondence that evidences PPI being added to that accounton that specific date 06th October 2003

Also bear in mind that the last payment was on 03/06/2010 and the cheque was dated for 31st May 2012...we are looking at many months of STATUTORY INTEREST too...are we not?

Any advice please........dx100uk your initial instinct was bang on'....you said it 'seemed low'

Any input ims please:suspicious:

Thanks to you both

Thanking you very much indeed for all your wisdom

Shall be back at an appropriate moment in the calculations further down the line especially when it comes to Stat Interest Calculations...just want to know what figures will go where...WHEN.... i have those figures that is....

rgds

m2ae

Ims

thank you for all your help today and last night

The spreadsheet is beginning to work completely in all areas...I am using FosC1 from 05/07/2005 until 03/06/2010 to see what the figure is compared to what they actually offered...

And then go back to it all again afresh and input an average of 2.00/month form 6th Oct 2003 Until 03/06/2010 to INCLUDE the missing months

and have a look at what the new figures would look GUESTIMATE like.

Settlement Date was paid by cheqiues just the other day actually 31st May 2012...so would sheet statint run from 03/06/2010 until 31/05/2012

please advise...

thnks

and then I will