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All that being said I am very sorry you lost what I thought was a strong case. Interestingly Jazzhands has a case going though court at the moment and at post 77 you will see that the Judge said that the case will probably rest on the supremacy of contract. Jazzhands obviously has a more clued up Judge than you had.

If Dave sends me a speculative invoice I don't appeal to him. I may in passing tell him to refer to the reply given in Arkell vs Pressdram, or more likely ignore him. I do not validate him or his bogus claim by appealing to some stooge or his mate Clive. Just because barrowboy was gainfully employed by such an organisation is in no way evidence of their legitimacy and what is more likely happening here is a case of Stockholm syndrome. It can't possibly be that my previous employer has no real basis in law to need to exist. I believe the advice barrowboy has given is the beginnings of an excellent defence should NCP ever be bothered to go to court. Barrowboy has also broadened the discussion and fully explained their reasoning for their course of action which can only be to the benefit of the original poster and future readers. However you may be understanding that the default stance of CAG is more forthright in its approach for lots of very good and lawful reasons. Just like all the Ombudsman services the appeals process can and probably should be avoided to fully enjoy ones lawful rights.

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So you clearly have a non POFA notice , which is why NCP will cancel as they don't fight cases like this. Now if it was someone like APCOA Parking even with the above appeal they wouldn't cancel on first appeal but then would fold @ POPLA, its just the way certain parking firms Rather then giving a blanket answer to all parking ticket appeals each one should be tailored to how parking firms react. I mean you wouldn't try the above appeal with any IPC firm as it wouldn't work. @dx100uk said you shouldn't trust newbie advice etc, but we had a site team person @honeybee13say they had never heard of Norwich Parking Control, yet that particular firm had been around quite a while and the guy behind is very well known in the industry, so it just goes to show being on here for a long time or a short time doesn't make your knowledge /advice any less or more correct Again ill challenge anyone here to £50 to charity that the above appeal will work in this case.

I am going to disagree with the advice above Several "long term" members on here don't believe people should appeal tickets however that advice is simply incorrect and they would rather people face a court claim instead , which is actually very bad advice. Just because someone has been on here for a long time does not mean their advice is correct all of the time and in this case you have been given the correct advice and a winning appeal against an easy to beat parking firm You have a PCN which does not comply with POFA NCP like a few other BPA members don't contest appeals when they are challenged on the issues around no keeper liability NCP always cancel tickets when shown the above appeal where its after the 14 day period , its just what they do You harm your "position" by not knocking this on the head and your position is NOT harmed when you appeal as the keeper This will get cancelled with the above text, i put @dx100ukto a challenge. Use the text i suggest and you pay £50 to a charity if it fails. If I fail i would do the same. Unfortunately whilst there is some good advice on this forum regarding court cases there is unfortunately quite a few people who don't really know the internal workings of the PPCs and their policies regarding appeals. Now if this was the likes of VCS/Excel I wouldn't be advising the above

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The judge was wrong in law. primacy of contract means that there is a contract between the landowner/managing agent and the tenant. That does not allow VCS to overrule the lease agreement of the tenant. Davey v UKPC proved that. That was a case back in 2012 or 2013 listed on CAG where the tenant took UKPC Court for trespass and won. Of course that would depend on the lease that your tenant had with the land owner but I doubt it was produced in Court. Normally a Judge would know that but there are always some who were off on the day that supremacy of contract was taught. I did suggest some time ago that you talked with your tenant and from there you may have obtained a copy of their lease. Not withstanding that , supremacy of lease should have been the clincher anyway. Contract ? License ? what is he on about. The signed document said it was a contract. There needs to be a contract with PoFA for VCS to be able to pursue motorists who breach the contract . If it were me I would appeal against the ruling but I would first get a sight of the tenant's lease.

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Hi everyone Sorry for not posting but i have been quite poorly and been off my feet but just a thanks for your assistance with this case and i will be making a donation shortly. Hopefully this post will help others in the same situation. Thanks again G